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Offline AncientMelody

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Re: Anxiety - physical symptoms but no worries
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2014, 11:19:49 AM »
A few more Qs, sorry  ;D

1) Are you a smoker? The oxygen percentage wouldn't be quite as concerning in a smoker, but is certainly is low for a non-smoker. And how old are you? A healthy non-smoker especially one who is a young adult or middle aged (I don't know your age) should NOT have a pulse ox of 90-95. 98% is normal. A 97-occasional 96 surprising but within the realm of reason.

2) Are you a vigorous exerciser? Certain, very extremely aerobically fit individuals can have resting heart rates in the 40s-50s because their heart muscle is so efficient it doesn't need to pump more frequently.  But these are TYPICALLY high performance athletes, regular distance runners, college level or above athletic fitness. Typically. If this doesn't apply to you, then yes, you probably wouldn't feel that good walking around at that heart rate.

One thing I want to clarify: I am not saying that you having the low pulse ox and bradycarida are DANGEROUS. I believe you've had quite a bit of workup. What I DO believe though is certainly this heart rate or this pulse ox alone could make you SYMPTOMATIC.  especially when you have both of them together. I have no clue why you would be told otherwise, but I would broach this possibility with your primary care doctor now that the specialist appointments are done.

 
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Re: Anxiety - physical symptoms but no worries
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2014, 12:32:01 PM »
Thanks for your thoughts, really appreciate you taking time to assess my situation.

The answers are...
1. I am not a smoker and I am 38 years (male)
2. I am by no means in any kind of shape or never have been. I have practically done no exercise what so ever past 3 years - mainly due to the fact that I am feeling like this

what you are saying is fully aligned what I am thinking. I visited my GP today and he practically refused to have any kind of discussion.. just said that now we done all the tests with specialists that we just need to wait and see how this folds out. This makes me rather frustrated because this has been ongoing so long, so why would it resolve itself now - especially when it seems to be getting worse. It makes me quite perplexed that no doctor is really willing to comment on this situation from this point of view.

On the other hand, I don't know if there's much there can be done, if there are no heart or lung ailments. My body is just off balance for some strange reason.

Like you said, I am not scared this being directly dangerous to my health, but I have started think more and more about long term consequences of not exercising etc... this is the most disturbing thought I am having. From time to time it seems rather difficult to keep the positive thoughts and soldier on.
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Offline dan_76

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Re: Anxiety - physical symptoms but no worries
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2014, 07:36:35 AM »
I am confused. Somewhat.

During past week it has been a real struggle for me to get through the days' tasks. I mean simple things like going to work and back. That's about all what I have been doing. At work I mainly wait to get home. At home I wait to get to bed and sleep. When I wake up before my alarm, I feel rather hopeless as a new day of struggle is waiting.

According to doctors I do not have anything that would classify as severe anxiety. Still I got those oxazepam pills to overcome anxiety and to take as needed. Today is the 3rd day in row I have been on those (2 x 7,5 mg). It feels just impossible to get through the day without. In other words they seem to help.

When I feel miserable when waking up, I pop a pill. Then i take shower and force me to eat some breakfast while shaking from head to toes. Then get out and drive to work. At some point during this ordeal my head starts to clear up and I feel well enough to get my act together. I am not fine, but I can hold my self and my head together. In about 5 hours from popping the pill, the symptoms start creeping back. My mind feels it's going to "crash" any moment - unable to concentrate.

Two days now, I have waited until I get home before taking the other half of the pill. This is in about 9 hours after the 1st half. I have hoped that I could manage the night without, but both days I have been so shaky and feeling weak when I reach home that I haven't had a change. In 1-2 hours world clears enough, so I can feel confident enough to get sleep. I do not feel good enough to do anything other than sit on the couch tv open, but not really able or willing to follow what's on.

Does this sound like the pill is working or am I just enjoying the placebo effect?

I am rather confident that all this is not coincidence - the pill works. Can it mean that many of my symptoms are caused by some sort of anxiety after all?

Or is the oxazepam just making my body tick differently so I can overcome my symptoms caused by something else? How do you tell.


Right now it has been 6 hours since my morning half. I start to feel rather miserable again and I have a meeting awaiting in about two hours. It's time for my 2nd half. I am concerned that in the evening I need to take the 3rd half.

I would not like to (1) get hooked on benzos and (2) exceed the prescription which was for 1/4 - 1 pill per day.

But what can I do, I need to survive somehow. Next week I will meet my GP again and I need to bring this up. I am not so much intrigued on going on SSRI's either without a more certain diagnosis. Because with those it's anyway wait-and-see game and the result may not be so clear. But as my situation seems so impossible right now, I need to do something.

This won't just go away by waiting.
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Re: Anxiety - physical symptoms but no worries
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2014, 01:39:50 PM »
You should probably go back to the Psychiatrist to talk about your current symptoms. Have they put you on a SSRI yet?
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Re: Anxiety - physical symptoms but no worries
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2014, 02:58:07 PM »
Is there perhaps another GP you would be interested in visiting to "try fresh" discussing your symptoms. not neccessarily to go through more tests but really to get a second opinion on the low oxygen and low pulse?
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Re: Anxiety - physical symptoms but no worries
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2014, 02:01:15 AM »
Nope, no SSRI's. Yet. But I am strongly starting to think that I should propose that to my GP and try them out. This cannot get any worse... can it? My biggest concern here is that the psychiatrist didn't put me on SSRI, so he must have had a reason. Which I think was that he didn't really believe that I am a mental case.

If I start SSRI I would really like to start them under more profound experience on those than what my GP has. He's experienced doctor, but seems like he is not really willing to make much decisions or even have discussion on the areas he doesn't feel comfortable with. In a way I think that has been good thing so far, because he has been referring me to several specialists. But now when we have ran out of specialists it's kind of dead end for me.

I have been thinking about that 2nd opinion, but to go somewhere else costs money and finding a good generalist that would really listen and take a moment to think is like finding a needle in a haystack. I have been considering to go to some internal medicine specialist on my own. With them there's slightly bigger change to find someone who listens. I am thinking that if this is something physical, internal medicine is the correct "department".
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Re: Anxiety - physical symptoms but no worries
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2014, 09:54:19 AM »
Yes, I agree that internal medicine would probably be a good way to go.  :yes: Good luck to you.
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Re: Anxiety - physical symptoms but no worries
« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2014, 04:46:09 AM »
Little follow-up on me...

Had an appointment with internal medicine specialist. Outcome was that there's nothing serious (surprise!). He said that most likely I am suffering from sort of dysautonomia, but in my case it increases the parasympathetic tone instead of sympathetic, which would be more common. What is the cause... impossible to tell... maybe overweight, pre-diabetic glucose levels, sleep apnea.

Most likely I have concentrated my symptoms that much that it has caused me a sort of stress/anxiety disorder which in turn has worsened my condition beyond the normal effects of the dysautonomic condition. This was backed up by the fact that oxazepam relieved my symptoms.

I don't know how sound this is but I have to admit there's some logic in it.

I was prescribed 75mg of venlafaxine / day and continue the use of oxazepam as needed.
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Re: Anxiety - physical symptoms but no worries
« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2014, 05:16:35 AM »
Still struggling a lot with this. Now my 6th day on the meds and I haven't really noticed anything except loss of appetite. I still feel that oxazepam helps a bit. It gives my mind some moments of relative clarity in between the continuous fog. I still feel physically weak all the time. Starting from the moment when I open my eyes in the morning.

Difficult to believe it could be anxiety. I just want to believe so much, because it would give me some reassurance that all this can and will get better. Now I am just wondering if this is anxiety or not. Well, I am certain there's some amount of anxiety, because oxazepam helps. Also, it would feel strange if a person with my symptoms without any explanation would not get anxious at all.

Little bit worried about the medication, because if it doesn't help, then I think I need to change to some other pill and get deeper into the medication world where it is impossible to tell if the symptoms are caused by side effects, withdrawal or something else.

But trying to keep the positive mood on.
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Re: Anxiety - physical symptoms but no worries
« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2014, 09:49:30 AM »
dan does your physical weakness come and go and sometimes worse than others? I started getting severe weakness after weaning off my meds for 2 months. I like you didn't feel anxious. I have been to a ER and several Dr  not finding anything wrong. I have since gotten back on my medicine it has helped some but now I have developed HA. I hope you find something that helps you
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