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Breath Related Anxiety Jags - does anyone else have this?
« on: August 29, 2014, 10:24:06 PM »
I go through periods where just thinking about my breath flow can be the catalyst for hours of anxiety.

I'll be feeling OK, energetic, and unanxious, then I'll think about my breathing for a moment, and within minutes I'll be feeling increasingly anxious, with weakness & acheyness all through my body.

Sometimes I've noticed that, upon thinking about my breath, I might halt it for a second, or become so conscious of it that I automatically change its flow - a few longer or shorter inhales/exhales - and I originally thought that's what was causing the cascade of symptoms. But lately, it seems even if I don't make any changes to my breathing, just notice it, the symptoms come on anyway. Once they appear, I often feel seriously anxious, weak and sore for hours before it finally subsides and I feel normal again. Weird. Anyone experience this too, or have a reliable countermeasure for reversing it or snapping out if it?
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Re: Breath Related Anxiety Jags - does anyone else have this?
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2014, 11:26:48 AM »
I'm also noticing that it starts with a bolt of mental fear that my breath is going to be irregular, but then I notice that my breathing length & pattern hasn't really changed much and I'm not really short-of-breath. So it seems like the bolt of fear starts the cascade towards the building anxiety, not so much an actual breath jag.

But I wonder where that initial bolt of fear is coming from, and why it seems connected to my breath. Maybe I died from asphyxiation or drowning in a past life  :fragend005: (if you believe in that sort of thing,) and that fear is resurfacing. Whatever it is, I'm working to find a counteractive measure - exercise, running, purposely breathing longer or deeper, etc. - to dial it down once it kicks in...'cause it can be awful & debilitating to live with for the next few hours, till it subsides naturally.
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Re: Breath Related Anxiety Jags - does anyone else have this?
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2014, 08:24:43 PM »
I used to have a kind of similar problem.  Whenever I would think about my breathing, I would over think it and either start breathing too fast or too slow and would continue to have problems until I could stop thinking about it and start breathing unconsciously.  I have a couple of suggestions that may help you when you are in an anxiety state about your breathing.  If you are around people, try getting in a conversation.  For one, it will help distract you from thinking about breathing and also, you have to breathe differently when you talk anyway and maybe that will help you break the cycle.  If you are alone, maybe you could try singing to the radio.  Again, you breathe differently when you sing, so maybe it will snap you out of obsessing over breathing.  I wish you the best.  I know it can be frustrating.
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Re: Breath Related Anxiety Jags - does anyone else have this?
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2014, 09:45:45 AM »
Hi there, I can relate to this! It's usually my breathing that can precipitate a panic attack for me. When we begin to breathe in a shallow pattern, our body begins to feel the effects. It's called hyperventilating and most anxious people tend to do this without even recognizing.  It seems to hit me when I'm driving. I usually have a drink with me or a mint. Anything that can re direct my breathing can help. Also practicing deep breathing even when you're not anxious can help too. I know it's hard but with practice,  it can help!! Take care, Lisa
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Re: Breath Related Anxiety Jags - does anyone else have this?
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2014, 11:22:21 AM »
I get this a lot. I have a form of reflux the effects my nasal passages, so I get inflammation in them and notice that it seems like it's harder to breath without actually feeling stuffed up. When I breath through my mouth, I can take deep breaths, but the reflux is made worse by anxiety. It's always a vicious cycle. I agree that you should start talking or singing. It really does help. I work in customer service, so when I'm on the phone, I try to not think about it.
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Re: Breath Related Anxiety Jags - does anyone else have this?
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2014, 03:31:42 AM »
Hi Everyone,

I had this issue for the first few years when I had panic attacks, I just did some research for a friend who is also battling this very same issue, - after researching it over the weekend - I came across a condition for this called:  Chronic Hyperventilation Syndrome


As I was reading about this, reading various articles - that reminded me exactly some of the same things I problems with before getting the correct medication....

This might explain - that the consistent panic attacks and anxiety attacks had caused my breathing pattern to subconsciously change - "without me noticing it... " It is now officially called -" Chronic Hyperventilation Syndrome"

After more research, I was lucky to stumble on a post in another forum on how many doctors are not aware of this condition.

Here is the post I found - the author of this post did a pretty job of explaining it, I thought I would share it:


Here is a posting I found from a fellow Panic Anxiety Disorder victim on another forum:

Chronic Hyperventilation Syndrome

"dizziness accompanied by a lot of other seemingly unrelated symptoms, which might include any of the following:

•   shortness of breath for no apparent reason
•   frequent sighing or yawning
•   chest pains
•   heart palpitations
•   sweating
•   syncope (fainting)
•   dizziness
•   trembling
•   slurred speech
•   cold, tingling, or numb lips or extremities
•   nausea or irritable bowel syndrome
•   aching muscles or joints, or tremors
•   tiredness, unsteadiness, or diffuse weakness
•   restless sleep, insomnia, or nightmares
•   sexual problems
•   anxiety or phobias
•   fear that perhaps you're a hypochondriac
•   dry mouth
•   pressure in throat or difficulty swallowing
•   bloating, belching, flatulence, or abdominal pain
•   impaired memory or concentration
•   confusion / disorientation
•   tinnitis (ringing in ears)
•   headaches
•   blurred vision, tunnel vision, double vision, or flashing lights
•   tachycardia (rapid pulse)
•   depression
•   erratic blood pressure

If several of these symptoms sound familiar, ask your doctor about Chronic Hyperventilation Syndrome. If she's never heard of it, ask her to find out about it. If she seems reluctant, research online (I've listed some useful links below) and inform her.


Why So Many Weird Symptoms?
My understanding of this syndrome is far from perfect, as I am not a doctor. I am only a sufferer of this disorder who has done some research, but I'll do my best to share with you what I think I've learned. I highly recommend that you consult the links below, and talk to your own personal physician, to get more reliable information.

As it was explained to me, Chronic Hyperventilation Syndrome constantly and slowly depletes your blood of carbon dioxide. With too little carbon dioxide in the blood, receptors that should be bonding with CO2 end up bonding with oxygen instead. Ironically, your blood ends up having too little free oxygen available to your body's systems and organs.

As a result, all of your body's systems receive too little oxygen. That means your brain, your stomach, your muscles ... they're all getting slightly deprived of oxygen. As a result, you start having seemily unrelated symptoms in all these different areas of the body. Your doctor might send you to a gazillion specialists, trying to figure out what's wrong with your ears, or your stomach, or your brain. I, myself, was sent -- over the course of 7 months or so of doctoral confusion -- to an ear doctor, an allergist, and a neurologist before they finally figured out what was going on. Some people with HVS go through a lot more intrusive and expensive tests than I did.

What the doctors are missing in these cases is the BIG PICTURE: the fact that the patient has several systems going slightly haywire ... probably from one source. And that source in this case is the oxygen-depleted blood.


So What Do You Do About It?
Opinions on treatment for Chronic Hyperventilation Syndrome vary, because opinions on the causes vary widely, as well. Some doctors believe HVS is caused by anxiety. Others believe anxiety is understandably caused by your body's constant yet unconscious fear of impending suffocation. I personally think they're probably both right, and that some sort of vicious cycle gets started, in which the HVS and anxiety feed off each other.

So, anyway, some of the recommended treatments I've seen discussed include:


•   Anti-anxiety medications
•   Psychotherapy
•   Relaxation techniques such as meditation
•   Biofeedback
•   Breathing exercises

This isn't a complete list, but it's what I remember off the top of my head. My own personal opinion is that the ideal treatment might be different for each person who suffers from HVS, and most would probably benefit best from some coordinated combination of the above treatments.





Resources for Chronic Hyperventilation Syndrome
I'm just a random person who suffered from HVS, so the info I've given here is no substitute for listening to the experts. Of course, the main thing I recommend, again, is that you go to talk to your personal physician. But I've listed below some of the other resources I found useful.

http://www.dynamicchiropractic.com/mpacms/dc/article.php?id=41073

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/807277-medication    "
 



This appears to be a very logical answer - to all the various problems brought about the Initial Panic Attacks.

I noticed the last link http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/807277-medication

Showed that treatment was quickly achieved by BDZ - as the first line of medication for treatment - " Chronic Hyperventilation Syndrome"

"Benzodiazepines are useful in the treatment of hyperventilation resulting from anxiety and panic attacks. By binding to specific receptor sites, these agents appear to potentiate the effects of gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA) and to facilitate inhibitory GABA neurotransmission and the actions of other inhibitory transmitters."

Also, it show that AD and SSRI maybe also helpful, but the as most of know it takes (4-12 weeks)  at a therapeutic dosage before the AD/SSRI will start to work.

Again, This appears to be a very logical answer - to all the various problems I had after months or years of Initial Panic/Anxiety Attacks.
This appears to very promising - and makes complete sense to me...as I recall, when I had my first few years of Panic Attacks....

Check with your doctor regarding this information.

I think we may be on to something here  :grinning-smiley-003:

Stay Strong  :action-smiley-065:
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