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Re: SOME symptoms of how anxiety affects people
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2014, 10:26:52 PM »
anxiety is a serious disorder, for sure.  it negatively impacts lives, sucks the joy from it, limits relationships, impacts career and is TOUGH on the body.  Anxiety and or continual stress keeps the adrenaline/cortisol/hormones going all the time.  Much of the problems stem from that.

as an example:  last year (dec '12 - jan '13) my hubs had a serious dx, we had lice wars in our home  :sick0002:, and worst of all my mother had a stroke and end of life decisions had to made.  No doubt VERY stressful.  As one might surmise, i was a wreck.  In that month I noticed my right eye having problems.  BY January 20th, I had greatly impaired vision in my right.  Two-thirds of that eye was like looking through smoke, words were 1/2 the size and wavy as compared to the left eye.  Color and light were about 1/2 of normal.  I remember flying home the day after my mom died looking out at the night sky with the lights below being dark.  Obviously I went to the ophthalmologist.  I was dx's with central serous retinopathy.  I developed tears in my retina causing fluid to collect between my retina and back of my eyeball.  It is caused by excess cortisol which is most often caused by too much stress.  My retina specialist ran another test that showed 3 large leaks.  Further I was told that both eyes bare scars of other leaks.  I had never noticed before because the other times the leaks were on the edge of my vision.  Well, long story short (too late) it took 6 months for the tears to heal (and thank goodness they did because laser surgery or injections in the eye were on the list).   My vision is about 90% back.  I do have a couple of quirks in my vision but fine otherwise.  I am still followed by the retina specialist.   

so my point of this story was to illustrate that stress/anxiety don't just make one scared, but impact a body physically.  so next time one is tingling or twitching or any number of the other things listed in my op and you think it can't be anxiety, think again   :yes: :yes:
Would this explain how I ALL OF A SUDDEN got a UTI the EXACT time my anxiety started? This UTI also spread to my prostaye and my flow is still weaker 7months later
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Re: SOME symptoms of how anxiety affects people
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2014, 01:08:11 AM »
Tell me about it. I have like 70% of these symptoms. Yesterday I had severe low back achy pain, achy calves achy left arm. I woke up that way, and was like that all day. I told my wife I think I'm seriously ill. I've lost 20 lbs this month(started candida diet). Well I read depression could actually cause this, I guess my mind believed it and all the pain left everywhere. I freaked out. I wake up achy every other day or so. I'm just in shock and disbelief on this. I hate it and I'm so depressed. I'm trying everything to better myself. I've lost 56 lbs and I'm just feeling worse. Doctors said I needed to lose weight. I'm just so tired. Breathing sucks everyday, numbness tingling, pain, dizziness when standing, fainting blah. *dead*
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Re: SOME symptoms of how anxiety affects people
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2014, 10:22:32 AM »
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  Would this explain how I ALL OF A SUDDEN got a UTI the EXACT time my anxiety started? This UTI also spread to my prostaye and my flow is still weaker 7months later

I don't know if anxiety caused your UTI and it moving onto your prostate or not.  It could be a coincidence that the two occurred together.  In other words I don't really think anxiety causes bacteria to enter your system.  BUT if your anxious etc, that can cause urinary issues--ie not emptying the bladder all the way, going too often.  That may make a body more susceptible to acquiring a bacterium.  But not a dr, sooooooo...  :winking0008:

As far as the flow being diminished all of the months later?? If I am reading this correctly, are you concerned something worse is wrong with all of your man bits due to the UTI?  My view would be:   If residual inflammation type issues have been ruled out , can anxiety cause flow problems?  I know that anxiety can cause urinary issues.  This could be especially true when it is something that scares you.  Remember BEASTY (anxious mind) knows what can freak you out. so as a result, flow could be affected.  theoretically speaking.


does that answer make any sense???
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Re: SOME symptoms of how anxiety affects people
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2014, 11:56:39 AM »
Tell me about it. I have like 70% of these symptoms. Yesterday I had severe low back achy pain, achy calves achy left arm. I woke up that way, and was like that all day. I told my wife I think I'm seriously ill. I've lost 20 lbs this month(started candida diet). Well I read depression could actually cause this, I guess my mind believed it and all the pain left everywhere. I freaked out. I wake up achy every other day or so. I'm just in shock and disbelief on this. I hate it and I'm so depressed. I'm trying everything to better myself. I've lost 56 lbs and I'm just feeling worse. Doctors said I needed to lose weight. I'm just so tired. Breathing sucks everyday, numbness tingling, pain, dizziness when standing, fainting blah. *dead*

I am sorry you are feeling so badly.  Anxiety can definitely play mind games with you left to its own devices.  Completely unfun. 

You mentioned that you are   I'm trying everything to better myself.    .  As counter intuitive as this may sound, trying too hard can backfire.  Essentially when you are trying too hard what you are still doing is monitoring how you feel.  Which means you are asking yourself, "Do I feel better yet?"  or "Do I still have that headache or whatever ache or pain is capturing your attention"  The real key to the healing path is engaging in proactive activities that allow the mind and body to calm down..  But you have to do it in such away that you are not monitoring.   Below is an excerpt from a conversation I had with another member  a while back.  It touches on what I am talking about. 


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  Quote from: amsa on March 15, 2013, 01:10:11 PM
very inspiring post, thank you! I feel like I've been trying to tackle my ha head on, but it making more anxious! not sure how to explain it but i decided to do pilates 3 times a week because i truly love it, but while i'm in class all my symptoms come up right before and during my class and it so discouraging! i end up trying to fight the thought that "maybe i should take it easy maybe my body is not capable of exercising". I'm still going to class but it's not easy. Also i've been doing meditations and chi qong and eft (tapping), thinking it will destress me a little bit but i've been more anxious and my neuro symptoms are increasing (on and off) and to top it off now I have weird heart things going on.... so am I focusing too much on myself and healing? to a point where it's stressing me out more? is that possible? I'm so trying to make all these changes in my life but it's seems to be making things worse! what's going on?


I know all of this can be quite discouraging.   However, imo and in my own experience, I believe there are a few things going on here.  I even hit on most of this in my original post.

some of those are:

sometimes anxiety symptoms are relieved when one is TRULY occupied.  BUT remember a body has to be relaxed for a while before a body calms down.  So one cannot expect the brain to say----oh I"m working now and I'll just forget that I'm a mess really and give up on the aches and pains."    anxiety doesn't really have an on/off switch.

I've also had times when I've been stressed and decided----Okay I'm going to get involved in something to get my symptoms to go away.  guess what?  it doesn't work then.  cuz, on some level I'm still monitoring

a year ago I was having, what I knew were stress/anxiety related headaches.  THey were pretty bad.  Well one day I went to help out at a dog rescue.  I walked 7 or 8 dogs over a period of two hours or so.  When I arrived, I had a headache.  At the end I got in the car and drove away with the realization that the headache was gone.  Within 5 minutes it was back.  YEAH can you believe that.

I've even had gardening or exercise that has made me more shaky

What I've come to understand both logically (the easy part) and emotionally (the harder part and this part can still sometimes be a challenge) that this is a lifelong process.  That doesn't mean I live in misery lifelong BUT that I am cognizant of who I am, how I react to stresses mentally and physically.   I really looked at my own personality and how that impacts the way I react to stresses.  I can see how my personality tends to react to stressors.  I am also aware of how genetics plays a bit of a role in all of this.  I also take into account my life experiences that can aid/abet anxiety.  This, in and of itself, took me being honest with myself.  It wasn't a one day thing.  It evolved through the years.  I am quite certain I'll gain more in sights about myself and life, in general, as the years go by.  This isn't always easy as we all have faults and we all have strengths.   Sometimes this part can be tough depending on the person

I had to quit acting like I was doing everything I could to get better when I knew, being honest with myself, I wasn't...  Oh I may have been halfway trying some proactive things (maybe just enough to show family that I was making an effort) but often I was doing all the stupid reactive things.

I had to learn that I will never be stress free but I can learn to deal with it better
 

remember our bodies, when we get like this, are all amped up.  any proactive thing we do, while absolutely necessary, STILL takes time to get to working.  Even doing all of the proactive things perfectly will often take months to make good headway.  This whole thing is not a 1, 2, 3 and all is solved.   

In my own life right now--------  I've talked about it here on the zone.  so you may know about it.  Since Mid December and for 6wks thereafter were acutely stressful....  my hubs received a diagnosis, 6 out of the 8 of us had lice (and as the momma, I did the heavy lifting which took 3+wks to get under control) my mom had a stroke, there were end of life decisions my sisters and I had to make, my mother passed, then dealing with differences in how to ultimately put my mother to rest.   All of this stress ended up causing a substantial issue with my eye...  It is called central serous chorioretinopathy.  You can find threads about my saga here....   The usual cause of this is excess cortisol being released in the body during high levels of stress.  It has caused blood vessels to leak behind my retina in my right eye.  I have three leaks....  All of the stress that caused this issue has been resolved (even hubs dx has a game plan now).  So I am not all freaky.  I am going about my life.  BUT this damage to my retina can take four to six months to resolve itself.  In 90% of people it does resolve on its own.  Some people end up needing laser surgery or injections into the eye.   So here I am not wigging, getting on with my life BUT still having to let my body heal.  Stress did this to me.  Now imagine if I was running around anxious about it?  Running around trying to find only the sinister in it?  Running around only thinking about how much stress damaged my retina and fixating on it?  Do you think that would make anything better or do you think that would just keep my body in the fight/flight mode and thus causing further damage?    Well you and I both know the answer to it.  So what I am doing is going about life as usual.  I endeavor to not pay the situation any mind.  I am trying to let my body heal.  I go back to the retina specialist (and the regular opthamologist too) in May to see if things are better.  If not, then I'll need some treatment to help my retina heal.  Because this can't be left unhealed forever.

so what does my experience right there tell you?


now onto another thing that could be going on.   But kind of still tied to the above     As mentioned in my OP, you can be in the most engrossing activity, one that you love.  But if you are looking to see if you are better, what are you really doing?    You are monitoring your body.  So really are you engrossed in the activity?  Are you really leaving the over thinking at the curb when you go to do the pilates?   OR are you just doing the pilates WHILE you worry, scan, monitor?

I think it is freakin' fantastic you are moving your bum.  Keep it up!!!

Just remember,

1. an amped up body can take months of proactive habits before making head way.
2. look at what is happening with me and see how long it is going to take my eye to heal... this is an ACTUAL organic condition due to stress.
3. if you are looking or paying attention to symptoms while doing the proactive, then you are still monitoring.  AND that monitoring is going to slow down any proactive things you do.
4. an amped up body means lots of fight/flight stuff is going on.  there is lots of adrenaline being poured into our bodies thinking we are always being chased by the bear.  This wears a body out.  So any exercise or other proactive activity can make a body more shaky or exhibit other anxiety symptoms.
5.  Yes people can try too hard.  sounds weird but when one is trying too hard, it means one is monitoring how they feel.   If you get what I mean?


amsa---things get better.  they do. 

good luck

this conversation  came from this thread    http://www.anxietyzone.com/index.php/topic,67619.0.html 

I wish I could tell you that this just gets better easily.  Unfortunately it is a life long process.  and I don't mean I live miserably, I don't.  I mean that

JUST like any physical malady, a mental malady needs REAL time to heal   Unlike a physical malady though, with the mental WE have to make the DECISION to heal by changing our actions/thinking/behavior and continue to work on it even when it is hard.    Personally I believe mental issues are more difficult than getting through physical issues   


What I've come to understand both logically (the easy part) and emotionally (the harder part and this part can still sometimes be a challenge) that this is a lifelong process.  That doesn't mean I live in misery lifelong BUT that I am cognizant of who I am, how I react to stresses mentally and physically.   I really looked at my own personality and how that impacts the way I react to stresses.  I can see how my personality tends to react to stressors.  I am also aware of how genetics plays a bit of a role in all of this.  I also take into account my life experiences that can aid/abet anxiety.  This, in and of itself, took me being honest with myself.  It wasn't a one day thing.  It evolved through the years.  I am quite certain I'll gain more in sights about myself and life, in general, as the years go by.  This isn't always easy as we all have faults and we all have strengths.   Sometimes this part can be tough depending on the person. 
 

the bottom line is that WE are the captains of our ships.  If we don't steer it well, things go awry.  I simply got tired of running my ship aground.  I took a lot of leaps of faith and took a few chances.  Overtime I got better.  I've also learned that just because I have a fear or a thought, it doesn't make it true.  Just because my leg hurts or I"m dizzy, it doesn't mean I'm dying.  I've learned that I'm not going to let BEASTY take me down.  So that means I have to do things are often difficult.  I had to realize doing these difficult things meant it could take months before I saw results.


 
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Re: SOME symptoms of how anxiety affects people
« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2014, 01:48:55 PM »
How are you doing now? Are you improving? I'll do anything btw. Thanks for the info and response!
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Re: SOME symptoms of how anxiety affects people
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2014, 02:04:37 PM »
How are you doing now? Are you improving? I'll do anything btw. Thanks for the info and response!

are you referring to my eye issue?  that is healed but I am followed by a retina specialist.  saw my reg ophthalmologist recently and within this last year I have developed "slight" cataract.  He sites, " don't worry about it.  it is your age. happens to everybody"  gee golly thanks doc  ::)  .

or are you referring to my mental health?  I am good.  I know the beast anxiety.  It rarely sucker punches me anymore.   :happy0151:
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Re: SOME symptoms of how anxiety affects people
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2014, 05:37:20 PM »
Wish that I could have your will power to fight it. I have my good days and bad days, today is a bad one.  I feel like I'm dying but just dunno with what.  Lol.
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Re: SOME symptoms of how anxiety affects people
« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2014, 06:25:59 PM »
Wish that I could have your will power to fight it. I have my good days and bad days, today is a bad one.  I feel like I'm dying but just dunno with what.  Lol.

sorry you are having a tough time.

i don't look at it like will power.  I looked at it more like my thinking was whacked and I didn't want to live my life like that.  So learned all i could about anxiety, how/why it affected me.  Started making changes. What habits did I have that kept me mired in the muck.  Some of those bad habits were----googling, seeking reassurance, peace of mind medical testing, self testing, monitoring and self checks.  the last two are the hardest, I will grant everyone that.  It is something I know I will have to watch lest I get a sucker punch.  It took time, for sure.  In the end I am all the happier for it though.   :yes:
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« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2014, 06:42:33 PM »
Well that's how I've been dealing with it. I have been looking up stuff on how anxiety affects the mind and body. I have a cd course I bought just wish it was about health anxiety.  I know my triggers to my anxiety, I know I need to learn a lot more on how to change my emotions and thinking. And not let everything I feel in my body scare me. I have stopped googling. I don't ask for reassurance a lot and I don't see doctors every time I feel off. My diagnosis was sinus and allergies and that's what sets off my anxiety. My mind just automatically gets stressed out and keyed up if I feel off. Like when my eyes are off or head my mind goes to some unknown brain disease I may have. I get hot all over and feel like I'm real sick with something. I know you probably know how it goes. I get up to walk and feel so drugged up. And having hard time debating if this is allergies anxiety or worse. It just sucks.
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Re: SOME symptoms of how anxiety affects people
« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2014, 07:11:43 PM »
you know, all of this didn't pop up in you over night.  Likely what brought it to the conscious level was the allergy thing, but I can almost guaran-darn-tee you that was just the threshold.  It was building up over time.  If you looked back carefully over your life, I bet you will find other times you were anxious.... maybe not health issues, but manifesting in different ways.  It really didn't appear over night.  Getting ,meaningful recovery will take months/years.  and sometimes there will be setbacks and you will feel discouraged but you have to get back up and keep going.

I hope I don't sound dismissive or preachy to you because that is not my intention.  But I have been a member here for years.  And while the names may change, the stories, the fears, the reasons why nothing works or they've tried it all, how the symptoms are different this time (with, perhaps, minor variations) are all the same.  I don't read anything different.  My assumption is anxiety is behaving exactly what it is:  a thinking disorder.

below is a copy of my "As I see it" thread. It has pretty much all of thoughts on anxiety disorder.  I have another called "How I got Better" that talks more.  both are linked on my profile.

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As I see it-------  THIS is MY OPINION..........  I ain't no doc or no expert   

There seems to be a couple of ways people seem to classify hypochondria or health anxiety.  One is that is based in OCD.  The other is that it is a cover for other issues going on in a person's life.  EH push comes to shove you could probably argue the point that some have a combo of the two.  AND why not---a person can be bi-polar AND have a personality disorder AND have OCD or other mental health thing going on.  AND sometimes I wonder if it really matters what form it takes.   However----as I see it    if one has a pure OCD form of it, the approach to recovering is different than if one has the "cover" form.  I've read a few articles and have seen a few documentaries, that people with OCD have different brain scans (I think PETscans) than people without OCD.   Meds are often VERY helpful in these situations.  I've also seen CBT used very successfully with OCD.  With the cover form------  there is mixed results with meds.  I think the more traditional talk type therapy would be more helpful here.  The reason I say this is because the "cover" form is, well, anxiety over health issues being used to cover up or divert our attention from what is going on in our lives.  It seems easier to deal with phantom X disease rather than financial issues or upbringing issues or parenting issues----you know whatever is going on in our lives that is messy and would be easier to sweep under the rug type stuff.  One way we can accomplish this is to be dying of some disease of the week.     SOOOO maybe having a firm classification of health anxiety---------as I see it---- could be beneficial regarding recovery

The bulk of my thread here or diatribe, however you may see it   , would be mostly focusing on the "cover" form.

I don't mean to make anxiety seem so simply defined because our minds are very complex.  There are likely many factors all mixed up that determine our threshold for developing anxiety to the level of a disorder.  We can all argue what they are, but generally these are the ones I find the most compelling:

1.  LIFE EXPERIENCES:  upbringing (whether it was good or bad or just normal) is definitely a MAJOR factor.  We ARE who we are because of life experiences.  WE tend to solve problems based on what we saw as kids.  That isn't to say one can't change or do things differently.  It just means our inclination would be to do what we saw.  We would have to make a larger effort to go against the earlier experiences. 

2. Personality, your basic temperment, maybe, birth order.  As we know our bros and sisters don't necessarily have anxiety disorder OR they might.  So upbringing wouldn't be a soul factor.  If you factor in personality etc, maybe that is the difference.

3.  family history---genetics.  we've got lots O genes in the pool.  Some of us may get a pile of easily anxious genes, some may get one or two genes, some may get none of those genes.  *again this is simplistic terms  I get THAT    I'm just stating we don't know all there is but our genetics coupled with other factors can be quite compelling  I found a bit of research a year or so ago that showed specific genes.  here is a blurb on it:

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The COMT gene encodes an enzyme that breaks down dopamine, an important brain chemical, which weakens its signal. The two variations of the COMT gene are Val158 and Met158.

About half of the population carries one copy of each variation. Twenty-five percent carries two copies of the Val158 variation, and the remaining 25% carries two copies of the Met158 variation.
 
   

4. basic envriomental factors not necessarily due to upbringing but your basic traumatic events, living stressful lives etc, etc.

5. biochemical---interesting thought would be---did our brain chemistry cause the anxiety or did the anxiety cause the brain chemistry to get mucked up???? hmmm don't know

At any rate------there are likely many factors as to WHY it happens.     

I also believe that ANYONE can develop an anxiety disorder.  I believe it depends on a person's threshold.  Some have a high one and some a low one.  I think it mostly depends on the above factors (plus other factors that I don't have inkling about because, again,  I ain't no doctor or NO expert.  I'm just some random person that has an opinion based on my experience.

For the sake of argument I am going to assume that most of us here have the "cover" form.  I know a lot of people say they have OCD and maybe they do.  They may have been diagnosed as having it by a shrink ph.d or shrink MD.  In that case, imo, meds and commiting themselves to finding a GOOD CBT therapist and then practicing what the therapist preaches should yield good results.

onward ho!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

first of all the mantra we should all embrace is that  ANXIETY LIES

from those lies we find ourselves making all kinds of mistakes, engaging in all kinds of compulsive or obsessive type thinking and behavior, making up all kinds of excuses, and rationalizing the irrational.  These lies we accept as truth make our thinking HIGHLY, HIGHLY unreliable.  We act like all of those dots we connect make a picture but all it looks like is a jumbled mess.  I mentioned in another post  I see such irrational conclusions people come up with that if they told me 2 + 2 = 4,  I'd likely question if it was true.  Bottom line peeps---------  ANXIETY LIES.  It LIES as a matter of course.

Some of the more common lies we engage in is:

++self-checking----just this once, I can't help it, I'll not be able to survive if I don't, I HAVE to.  Whatever the excuse--------  it isn't going to help you and if you continue doing such things, your anxiety will not diminish.

++reassurance----I've been to 5 docs.  when am I going to find the doc who listens to me? maybe the docs are listening is the anxious one who isn't I need all of the med tests for my heart, then I''ll be able to move on.  Yeah until the next organ not covered by the test pops up AND it will.  It may only be 5 minutes or a month but it will .  I'll just ask my fam and friends if they are sure X isn't deadly or my fam/friends don't want to listen to me anymore or they don't take me seriously.  Why can't they be more supportive. The better question is why can't we tell that we are the ones that are behaving abnormally or incorrectly ?  It is us.     As FLguy is fond of saying-------------- LASTING solace will not be found in an MRI tube, will not be found under a CT scan machine, will not be found by a sonogram, will not be found with another EKG, will not be found by giving another vial of blood, etc.     Anytime we try to address our anxious over thinking through reassurance is, IMO, doomed to failure. 

++I can't do this/I am not strong enough

++This time the symptom is different---

++I've had anxiety for years and never had X happen before so it can't be anxiety

++I wasn't even anxious when such and so happened so it can't be anxiety------------MOST anxiety happens at the subconscious level.  JUST because you don't feel consciously anxious or had a day or two of calm doesn't mean your mind & body are relaxed.  It can take months of reduced anxiety before a body goes back to a more non-reactive state. 

++I've tried EVERYTHING and nothing has worked-------- I find this one pretty central to the disorder.  It is one of the biggest lies (errrrr).  okay (maybe better to say) this is probably one of ways we are dishonest with ourselves .  WE have convinced ourselves that we've done it all but really we haven't at least not well.  We tried one med, for a week, then quit out of fear or some such thing.  We went to a therapist for 4 months and it didn't help.  But did we, honestly, work with the therapist?  Did we do all that the therapist ask?  I mean a therapist isn't a miracle worker.  If we expect to use the therapist to just vent and nothing else, then therapy won't work.  Now if we did do all what the therapist asked and things aren't working, did we talk to the therapist about it?  Did we try a few other methods with the therapist? If so, and things still aren't working,  then it may be time for a new therapist NOT chuck all therapists out with the bathwater.   I tried eating healthy and exercising.  I did it for two days and I got scared or it didn't help RIGHT then or it was hard.  I tried some hobbies but I still had symptoms (see the above comment about that). We have to remember that anxiety lies.  We start accepting those lies.  In order to get better, we can't.

++I can't accept this is anxiety-----accepting it or not doesn't change whether you have anxiety or not.  What acceptance does is allow you to start working on getting better. 

++I haven't been anxious for a week or day or month or year, I should be over this now----so what did you proactively do in that time that got rid of the anxiety?  Did it just go away until now?  Anxiety doesn't just go away on its own.  sometimes there is a wax/wane but finding lasting peace in your life will require you to be proactive by changing detrimental behaviors, dealing with the issues that got your thinking squirrely from the beginning.  Sweeping junk under the rug only last so long........ eventually things start billowing out.

++I've never been anxious.  It just popped up over night---------- well maybe in the smallest of % of cases that is what happened.  However by and large, anxiety doesn't just show up over night.  Almost always it slowly creeps up on us.  We just don't know until we start feeling it physically.  Upon careful reflection most of us can trace back to the beginnings.  Even then we often will find we had a more perfectionist or highly responsible or type A personality from childhood.

++  GOOGLING---that should be under reassurance but it is SUCH a detrimental factor in our illness that I thought I'd give its own "lie".  Folks googling health issues is NOT going to help.  I get so aggravated when a person googles and then comes here saying, "I know I shouldn't"  Or "I've googled talk me down". We all know what it does to us.  So google at your own peril knowing that you will not walk away unscathed.

++thinking anxiety isn't a physical thing.  OMG boy is it physical.  IMO, whatever scares you, is fodder for your anxiety.

Well I'm sure there are more phrases that are repeated from we AZ folks.  While anxiety can be varied, we all seem to say the same type things.   

GUYS we all can get better.  It is all within us to do so.  We all know what to do.  THe answer sucks cuz it isn't as easy as swallowing a pill and doing a "cure chant" around a tree.  It is hard work.  It is something we will always have to be aware of.  As I said in another post:

What I've come to understand both logically (the easy part) and emotionally (the harder part and this part can still sometimes be a challenge) that this is a lifelong process.  That doesn't mean I live in misery lifelong BUT that I am cognizant of who I am, how I react to stresses mentally and physically.   I really looked at my own personality and how that impacts the way I react to stresses.  I can see how my personality tends to react to stressors.  I am also aware of how genetics plays a bit of a role in all of this.  I also take into account my life experiences that can aid/abet anxiety.  This, in and of itself, took me being honest with myself.  It wasn't a one day thing.  It evolved through the years.  I am quite certain I'll gain more in sights about myself and life, in general, as the years go by.  This isn't always easy as we all have faults and we all have strengths.   Sometimes this part can be tough depending on the person. 
 

the bottom line is that WE are the captains of our ships.  If we don't steer it well, things go awry.  I simply got tired of running my ship aground.  I took a lot of leaps of faith and took a few chances.  Overtime I got better.  I've also learned that just because I have a fear or a thought, it doesn't make it true.  Just because my leg hurts or I"m dizzy, it doesn't mean I'm dying.  I've learned that I"m not going to let BEASTY take me down.  So that means I have to do things are often difficult.  I had to realize doing these difficult things meant it could take months before I saw results.

if a person needs to lose 20 pounds, is one day of eating well going to get him/her to that goal? No Is the person always going to eat well everyday?  No, somedays the person will eat a bucket of ice cream, for instance.  If the person, finally succeeds losing those 20 pounds over a period of months, will this person be able to go back to the old habits without gaining all the weight back?  No

what makes we anxious peeps think working through anxiety issues is going to be easier?  That we'll wake up one day and be all better? 
 

Now we all CAN get better.  That doesn't mean we all will.  There will be some who don't and I'm sure we've all met a person in our lives who let life defeat them.  Don't let that be you.  You are better than that   


NOW for maybe the two people   who haven't seen my usual suggestions on getting started, here they are, again:

1. Therapy---meds if you and your doctor feel it is appropriate---everybody is different on this issue. but don't discount meds because you are afraid of them or think that meds are only for "weak" people.  Remember the BEST therapist isn't a miracle worker.  therapy is a two-way street. The client MUST participate and I don't just mean going in and unloading on the therapist.  A therapist is there to listen, true, but the therapist is there to challenge and get you to do things to aid in your recovery.  So the client must do the "homework" to get the most out of therapy. 
2. self-help books--lots of good stuff out there these days ---Claire Weekes has good books out there that explain how it all works.  One is Hope and Help for Your Nerves I read "The Road Less Traveled" by M. Scott Peck many years ago.  He speaks to people in a variety of ways.  He has a few other books too.   
3.  Exercise---even if you don't want to.  At first you are likely to feel miserable and panicky feelings are likely to bubble up OR rush at you.  It is BEASTY (your anxious overthinking) causing this.  But do it anyway.
4.  Eat a healthy diet.  This helps on all kinds areas of your life.
5.  Forums often have helpful advice.
6.  Hobbies--anything that completely immerses you in it and keeps you occupied.  This helps because eventually you'll get snippets of time when you feel good.  These are teaching moments because then you know it is obsessions/anxiety mucking with you.  After a while those snippets turn to hours then days etc.
7.  Don't pity yourself.  You can have a happy life.   As we experience life, we change.  Having any form of anxiety will impact your life just like all life experiences do.  But that isn't necessarily a bad thing.  Even once you are on the road to recovery, you will have a 'new' normal but that doesn't mean you aren't happy and fulfilled.


and a link to the most common anxiety symptoms:

http://www.anxietyzone.com/index.php/topic,52022.msg307499.html#msg307499

and conversion disorder:

http://www.anxietyzone.com/index.php/topic,51481.msg304641.html#msg304641

and TMS--mind body syndrome:

http://www.anxietyzone.com/index.php/topic,12060.msg93531.html#msg93531


Change is not a destination and HOPE is not a strategy


PEACE and be well.  I so hope some of these blatherings of mine will be helpful to you.  If I stepped on some toes, I apologize.  You see one of my things is I see myself as a fixer----at times that is a positive on my side and other times a fault.   The long and short of it, I hope it helps.

disclaimer--------- I worked on this for waaaaay too long.  I am hoping I didn't make any major blurpers, however, I am sure some of my grammar or spelling is off.  I wouldn't be surprised if there are a few typo's too.     

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