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Offline wannabfree

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Family issues (a bit long)
« on: April 19, 2008, 08:09:56 PM »
Okay, so I really love my family. My mom and I are close (generally speaking), also my brother and I are close, and my dad.  I see each of them at least once a week, and I talk to my parents every to every other day (my brother hates talking on the phone). My husband and I have included them in every event we have, holidays, birthdays, and even little vacation trips (as my hubby and I don't get away for long durations). So, they are a part of our lives. The only thing they were not involved in was our wedding, because we eloped, and we did so mostly because our mothers made our engagement very tense, and we didn't want our wedding to be overtaken by their demands and mutual jealousies.

To some extent, our families, especially mine, have been over involved. So, when we first married (11 years ago today), I felt badly that my family was not involved, but I also was relieved that our day was not tense at all. Consequently, I have been made to feel guilty about this decision for the past 11 years, in some subtle and not so subtle ways. At the time I was only 22, so I was even more intimidated by my parents and his. Now I think I would have told them all to grow up and stop squabbling. I never really stood up for myself and for the strain my family (and his) occasionally puts on my relationship with my husband.

Anyway, my mother has a designated day she comes over. This was something that she set up and I have gone along. It is one of her days off. She used to have three designated days, Sunday through Tuesday, where we would either have to go to her house, or she would come over mine, however, while homeschooling my daughter and other life events, and just needing some time for myself, my family and my husband, she is now somewhat happy with the one day. During these visits, which are supposed to be to see the kids and me and help keep us close, she basically plays with my daughter for hours, gets her in a frenzy, we eat too late, we stay up too late, and she is not very helpful, overall, with dinner or with the kids, or anything. I am supposed to make dinner for all of us (my brother comes over too, my parents are divorced), I clean up afterward, most weeks they would like to have desserts served, and I am supposed to be entertaining and inviting, and hospitable and charming, no matter what kind of mood or life event I am going through. If I am anything but, I do hear something about and get the "guilt trip". Furthermore, my mother tends to say whatever she wants in front of me or my kids, and so if I ask for her to censor something, she makes a scene. So, I know she lacks some respect for me and the life I am trying to create for my family.

My father is a different story and he just drops by whenever he wants, unannounced. He expects snacks and refreshments, as well as undivided attention, on these impromptu visits. I am supposed to accomodating and cheery. If I am not, he does tend to get a bit aloof and critical and will say something snide to me.

This has been a source of great anxiety for me. My therapist wants for me to address these issues with my family. I have tried to in the past. I have written my dad an email telling him that his drop by's are a bit interuptive to our school times and the little kids naps.  This works for about a month or two, and then we go back to the way things were before. I have asked my mother, and also wrote to ask her, to please not stay over as late as she does on Tuesdays and to also be more understanding when I need a Tuesday with just my family. She is not very receptive to this, and she and my brother find it a bit insulting of me to ask. She will leave earlier for only a few weeks and then she goes back to the late nights (my brother usually leaves before her). They have started to bring dinner every couple of weeks, though I usually still have to make it most Tuesdays. It's an improvement. Sometimes she helps bring the dishes to the kitchen, though my brother still doesn't (unless prompted). I am usually grumpy Monday nights, Tuesdays afternoons, and into Wednesday morning, because I don't get what I want to accomplished on these Tuesdays, or during one of my dad's drop bys. Everything seems to stop. Everything is disorganized and I lose control of the situation. I have noticed that the more my family takes advantage of me, the less my kids listen. It's like they can sense that I am easily intimidated.

Interestingly, my mother doesn't really like to babysit for me too often, she does only about four times a year, once for Valentine's, once for our anniversary, and once for something more towards the winter, like my husband's birthday or if I ask for her to watch them so I can go Xmas shopping. She also doesn't like to watch them too close to the date she watched them before, as then it seems like she is being taken advantage of.  My inlaws rarely watch the kids, and my brother and his sister never do either. My dad doesn't as well, though both of my parents do take my eldest out for lunch and fun places to share time together. My mother is very upset with the idea of my husband and I getting a babysitter for our three children. She is full of horror stories which she likes to tell me. Funny enough, she and my dad always had babysitters for us. My mom feels that with my husband's work schedule we see each other enough (though, rarely without the kids, as much as we adore them, we do need to share time together without interruptions and stuff).

So, recently my daughter has asked for me to ask my mom if she could come over every other Tuesday during the spring and summer. I was all set to do this, however, I completely lost my nerve. My brother is bringing dinner this week and I know if I cancel, he will be insulted and he will also not bring dinner for some time (as this was a past issue--them inviting themselves over and never helping out). So I will bring this up soon. Afterall, my daughter asked me. I also know now that I have to shield my daughter from my mother's guilt trip and this is one major reason I am getting nervous about this.

Am I being mean, rude, a horrible daughter for asking and needing more time? It's just that it's not like I have ever invited her and my brother over every Tuesday, it was something my mom created about 7 years ago and I have little say in it. It's just an understanding that they will come over every week, regardless of how I feel that day, what my week is like, anything. Furthermore, when I do cancel an occasionally week, it comes with numerous questions and with me trying to explain and justify why I need the time. To get a better handle on my anxiety, I do need to get a handle on some of these situations. But I just feel so wrong asking for what my family and I need.
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Re: Family issues (a bit long)
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2008, 04:03:22 AM »
Well I don't think it makes you a bad daughter or anything.  Apparently parents just love putting guilt trips on people though becuase mine sure do. 

Your dad sounds like my uncle.  And my cousin for that matter.  They both randomly show up somewhere out of nowhere and then they have actually talked bad about people behind their back to me becuase they didn't drop their plans they already had when my uncle showed up!!!?!?!?!  Also if they call and I don't call them back IMMEDIATELY, they lecture me like they are my parents.  Sigh.

Anyway other people will probably have more comments than I do becuase I haven't even moved out and had a family yet, so I ahven't gone through everything really.
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Re: Family issues (a bit long)
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2008, 10:38:49 AM »
Hey NightOwl, thanks for understanding. You're always so helpful. It's so hard to not feel like I am a bad daughter sometimes. These guilt trips really work. I just hope that I don't follow the guilt trip path with my kids. I know it's a parent's favorite!

Funny you mentioned the phone calls. Many times, if my dad calls me, and I don't get to the phone, saying I am busy, or the phone isn't on me, he calls a few more times, and then he calls my mom and brother to track me down. If this doesn't help, he just comes over. And then he wants the kids and I to be totally thrilled and accommodating. It's like to I have to be prepared at all times, just in case I have a visit...but I rarely am ready. Of course, then I get a lecture. Funny though, I always have to call him before I come over because he wants to make sure he is ready...? Weird.

I notice people lecture me or say whatever they want to me too. Maybe they can sense we have anxiety or something, and that they feel they can get away with it or they are helping. I don't know, but it sure is annoying, and rarely helpful!

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Re: Family issues (a bit long)
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2008, 07:26:30 PM »
Yeah with me it's become so annoying I sometimes am just rude about it and will flat out tell them that my whole life is not spent sitting here waiting for them to call and call them immediately back.  But then of course I am so horrible if I say anything, according to them.  Sigh.

Also another annoying thing is when I DO talk to them on the phone and I have other things I want to do, they will waste enormous amounts of time doing nothing.  For example they won't even be listening to me and will watch tv while I am on the phone and proceed tot ell me EVERY detail of a tv show that they are watching.  I'll even say something and they won't hear me because they are paying attention to that.

Sorry.  I am so sick of it though.  lol  And my cousin calls here lecturing me.  I don't go to ebd at the right time.  I don't leave the house enough.  I don't clean my room the way he wants.  What business is it of a cousin????  He is so rude and then wonders why I eventually snap.  lol

I think your parents don't "think" they are doing anything wrong or laying out guilt trips.  I think they care, however I think subconsciouly indeed people take advantage of those they know will give in to them.  They probably don't even realize they are doing it.  Then if you say something about it they will get mad and turn it on you I am sure.

So i don't know.  I guess you've got to learn to feel better about yourself and have it not influenced at all by others' opinions.  You know they are not acting how they should, so I guess you have to somehow realize they are not intentionally trying to upset you or stress you out, but at the same time don't feel guilty for not doing every little thing they want.

It's so extremely difficult though.  I keep trying it myself and I am getting better and liking myself more and feeling guilty much less, but it's hard not to feel like parents are always right and are perfect and so if they lecture, it's hard not to feel guilty.
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Re: Family issues (a bit long)
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2008, 07:34:45 PM »
first of all hii wannab! I haven't seen you around in a while. I guess that's a good thing for you!  :action-smiley-065:  You are NOT being a horrible daughter for needing some more time for yourself. I think parents just see their children needing time away from them as some kind of not wanting to be around them at all which isn't the case.  For example, my parents are very hurt I don't want to move back home when I graduate in august but its not that I don't love them , I just need my own space.  I think you will feel better when you gather up the nerve to say something.  You just need to seperate yourself from the guilt kinda, just tell yourself "this is something I NEED to do -for me and for my kids." It may help you feel not so guilty if you try and remember your daughter asked too. I'm sorry I can't be of more help, but mostly I just wanted to say hi!
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Re: Family issues (a bit long)
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2008, 03:51:02 PM »
Thanks guys. It does help to know that I am not being a horrible daughter (though, if I were, would you guys really tell me I was, lol!) Anyway, my family likes to test me a lot with their "subtle" interference. It's always been this way. I have always supposed to fill the role of happy go lucky, undemanding, understanding, comforting and mature daughter, even as a child. So, I guess for me to be anything but is a bit a shock to them. Frustrating for me, as I spent so much time as a kid trying to be so pleasing, that now I get a bit lost and confused. Sometimes I feel that I am growing up all over again, especially when I get my "anxiety messages" that I ignore.

I have to tell my mom Tuesday about my daughter's request. So not looking forward to that. I am realizing more and more how easily intimidated I am. It's so ridiculous, but I know that it is one of my more major issues that lead me to anxiety. One thing at a time. I can deal with my mom first. She is more guilt driven, but I can deal more easily with that than my father's aloofness and judgemental comments. My mom always criticizes me for being more "frank" with her, but I feel closer to my mom. I am close to my dad, but it's not the same. I have to remember that they are not trying to be this way, it's just how they react. I certainly will feel so much better with myself and these issues when I get the nerve up to confront it. How they react (or usually overreact) is really their issue, as long as I approach them respectfully.

Family...so complicated. I really hope I'm not screwing my kids up too much!  :traurig001:

Hey, Hi to you too seleck. I've been trying to stay away from certain folders, trying to stay on track, lol :spineyes:

take care! :) and thanks again.
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