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Re: anyone ever tried meditation/mindfulness?
« Reply #320 on: January 09, 2014, 03:06:34 AM »
Yeah I agree. I suffer from a chronic, untreatable, incurable, physical illness. I can't just 'let go' of that. I need to treat my suffering with care. Moreover, having just broken up form my girlfriend, there is a time for mourning and pain. I should not, and would not want to, attempt to force my attention away from my upset and into direct present moment, sensory experience. My experience is the suffering, I need to allow that and treat myself with kindness.

I was recently listening to a dharma talk by Gil Fronsdal, a guy who is an ordained Zen and Theravada monk and has practiced for years in Japan and Burma. He noted that the Buddha suffered from chronic back pain (from the asceticism of his youth, no doubt) and would often have to forgo teaching due to the pain. This actually really shocked me. He could not simply let go of his suffering. He could be with it, and he could treat himself with kindness. The whole point of his enlightenment was that he ended his antagonistic relationship with suffering. He learned to walk a middle path between asceticism and indulgence, between aversion and craving. Just because you let go of something, it doesn't mean it has to go anywhere.

Anyway, I just wanted to share this because it was a pitfall that I fell into hook, line and sinker when I started my practice, and it caused a huge amount of tension and anguish.I also recognise that in the context of anxiety people want to use mindfulness to circumvent their suffering. It is impossible to circumvent suffering, however it is possible to use mindfulness as a guide to navigate suffering.

That's not saying that you can't be mindful of the beauty of present moment experience whilst this is happening, it's just that you must allow for it to happen and be kind to it.

In addition to Jack Kornfield's A Path With Heart, I also recommend Sharon Salzberg's Lovingkindness: The Revolutionary Art of Happiness.
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Re: anyone ever tried meditation/mindfulness?
« Reply #321 on: January 09, 2014, 03:25:17 AM »
I agree. The metaphor about the Master and the Student sums this up for me.

The Master was faced with a problem, he met that problem and carried that problem ONLY as far as was necessary. The moment it became appropriate - he put that problem down again and moved on.

The Student was faced with a problem, struggled to meet the problem and as a result carried the problem far longer than was necessary. In fact he made it into more of a problem and as a result struggled to put it down again - BECAUSE his mind was full of ideas/beliefs/worries/doubts/concerns, etc. about how it should have been, how it shouldn't have been, now what will happen to us, etc. etc. ............ and isn't that what we all do when we are given a problem?.

We don't have to carry our problems around with us and we certainly don't have to make them any bigger than they already are - but sadly we do.

Mindfulness helps with this. It doesn't rid you of your problems, but, simply put, it reminds you to put them down again - the moment it becomes appropriate to do so.
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Re: anyone ever tried meditation/mindfulness?
« Reply #322 on: January 09, 2014, 03:48:45 AM »
Yeah. Sounds pretty good :)
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Re: anyone ever tried meditation/mindfulness?
« Reply #323 on: January 09, 2014, 07:47:32 AM »
This gets the brain cells going. Am no longer wearing the wrong outfit to follow DL. Am in my sporty outfit ready to sit on my cushions.

But why am I sitting that way twice a day? What are my expectations? Also do Tai Chi, another form of meditation, as I see it. To become happy? To eliminate suffering? To give myself rides on Cloud 9? Transport myself to Shangri La? The First Noble Truth is, Life is Suffering. The Second is, Suffering is Caused by Selfish Craving.
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Re: anyone ever tried meditation/mindfulness?
« Reply #324 on: January 12, 2014, 09:36:40 AM »
To counteract the last dismal entry, I can suggest Easwaran's thought for today (link on screen 20). Here are parts of it.

"We all need joy and we can receive joy in only one way, by adding to the joy of others.

Our destiny is in our own hands. Since we are formed by our thoughts, it follows that what we become tomorrow is shaped by what we think today."
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Re: anyone ever tried meditation/mindfulness?
« Reply #325 on: January 12, 2014, 03:27:17 PM »
1) Doing nothing is the solution to uncomfortable feelings.

This probably means feeling the pain but not adding to it.

2) There is no solution to uncomfortable feelings and you have to live within them.

This most likely means acceptance which can goes with the rule above.

So basically mindfulness is just a tool use to accept pain which overtime makes it hurt less because you begin to realize and just know that pain is just pain nothing more and nothing less,
If that makes sense, obviously pain hurts and we hate it, but i dont know.
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Re: anyone ever tried meditation/mindfulness?
« Reply #326 on: January 12, 2014, 03:31:04 PM »
All I want is my memory and focus to thrive again. Brain fog sucks old saggy orangutan t i t s
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Re: anyone ever tried meditation/mindfulness?
« Reply #327 on: January 13, 2014, 08:26:32 AM »
There are countless books on meditation. There are different types of meditation. Individuals may have different goals and even these may vary from session to session.

So it's tough to summarize in a sentence or two much as I like to do that too. Sitting quietly, focussing on breathing in and out could be a start. There may not be dramatic results immediately, but over time the brain can calm down, we feel stronger, more confident, more in control and more at peace.
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Re: anyone ever tried meditation/mindfulness?
« Reply #328 on: January 13, 2014, 09:21:55 AM »
1) Doing nothing is the solution to uncomfortable feelings.

This probably means feeling the pain but not adding to it.

2) There is no solution to uncomfortable feelings and you have to live within them.

This most likely means acceptance which can goes with the rule above.

So basically mindfulness is just a tool use to accept pain which overtime makes it hurt less because you begin to realize and just know that pain is just pain nothing more and nothing less,
If that makes sense, obviously pain hurts and we hate it, but i dont know.

The idea is that the process of searching for a solution to pain is the problem. For example, over a given 5 year stretch of your life would you rather look back and say, "I was really happy during those 5 years" or "That 5 year period was difficult but I felt like I helped people and did positive things"?

Essentially, the idea of happiness changes from being about *feeling good* to being about *doing good*. But it's not that doing good things is going to make you happy either. You basically just have to give up the pursuit... which I think is hard for some people to grasp.

People spend an astounding amount of time and energy looking for things that will make them feel better. I think it makes more sense to accept feelings and instead focus on functional, physical behaviors in the environment that are valuable to other people.

As it turns out, I think Buddhism is actually much more accurate than people give it credit for. I'm not Buddhist or anything and I've always been critical of any religion. That being said, I think when they say "desire" is the source of suffering they're referring to this search for happiness/a solution to pain. And when they say "life is suffering" I think they're referring to the fact that pain is inherent because of how our brains work. Our brains are designed to never be satisfied with anything.
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Re: anyone ever tried meditation/mindfulness?
« Reply #329 on: January 22, 2014, 08:40:52 AM »
Today's quote says a great deal about meditation in a few words.

"This is the central principle of meditation: we become what we meditate on."
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