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Gaining Self-esteem?
« on: December 10, 2012, 07:11:33 PM »
I've never had self-esteem. I've always felt bad about who I am as a person because I never been very  good-looking, or intelligent - I always got bad grades and low test scores. I also very short (5'4) and I literally look like a little kid which makes me feel inferior to others. The best way I cope with this is by making people laugh, but I think I need a better way. I don't want this to attract pity, but rather I would like advice on how I can overcome this problem.
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Re: Gaining Self-esteem?
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2012, 08:31:04 PM »
Sounds to me like you are up to the challenge to change some things!!  Good for you!!!!  First of all, NEVER under estimate yourself!  No matter your looks, your stature, or your intelligence, you've ALWAYS got something unique to give.  You need to find what that is and enhance it.  I think the best way to overcome low self esteem is by self reassurance....look at yourself every day in the mirror and tell yourself a positive thing each day, and continue to reinforce that!  You can do this!!!!
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Re: Gaining Self-esteem?
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2012, 04:57:19 PM »
You think youre short? Try being 4 11" (: I also struggle with self esteem, always have. I think cbt is the est way to go.
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Re: Gaining Self-esteem?
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2013, 02:57:26 PM »
Congrats cooter on your recovery BTW! It's exceptionally hard being DD.

An inaccurate self image can cause problems either way. One thinking that they are "all that" can be as damaging (or more) than someone thinking that they are defective. Both create problems. In order to recover it is suggested to have an accurate self image. That being; I'm not really "all that", in fact, I, like everyone else, am quite frequently wrong. However, that doesn't make me no good. I'm just average. Most folks, including myself, like to stay away from "I'm just average." It seems too degrading. Nevertheless, many regain self confidence after declaring themselves as average. That is called "humility" in step 7 of AA. Lack of humility feels like crap, and humility feels better. Yet, it doesn't seem human nature to be humble. I speak from experience. Lack of humility according to the 12 x 12 in AA is dwelling in the extremes, either grandiose or self deprecatory. However, if you have a MDD or mood disorder diagnosis, it may not be quite that simple. MDD is an illness, not a lack of humility, I have learned from my support network. I am very short, as well. We tend to live longer. We win in the end. Keep a sense of humor. That's not a bad thing!
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Re: Gaining Self-esteem?
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2013, 04:47:57 PM »
thanks howifeel :)

I like what you had to say, the most important part for me right now is keeping my sense of humor, its the best coping skill I've found so far. I'm not inro stepwork yet, I'm in a five day a week DD treatment/therapy center for the next 18 months but we don't get into step work til stage three. I go to NA sometimes though an have read some of their big book. (:
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Re: Gaining Self-esteem?
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2013, 05:09:56 PM »
hOWIFEEL,

You have done the 12 steps...sounds interesting...
What are the steps, briefly.
Thanks!
I agree with the humility thing.  We are all created equal...so basically, no one is better or worse than another.  Confidence comes, I feel by our value and objectively, sort of.  Arrogance is pride.
anyway...thanks!   :action-smiley-065:
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Re: Gaining Self-esteem?
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2013, 08:18:47 PM »
Let me begin by saying that 12 step recoveries vary, but there are some basics that all agree on who are serious about their recovery, and have a genuine history of addiction/alcoholism that is treatment refractory (i.e. doesn't get better, no matter how hard one tries, that is). I do not believe that recovery is salvation, by the way. However, it sure helps.
Abbreviated for space. I could refer you to an AA/NA website, but I am rather narcissistic, and would like to interject my stuff:

1. Admit powerlessness (there is no such thing as "just one" whatever it is, if I'm an addict. Like the old Lays potato chip slogan. "No one can eat just one.") and life is unmanageable (I resign as the CEO of me).
2. Came to believe that a higher power could restore us to sanity (if a person is of the Atheist bend initially, as I was, group succeeds at doing what the individual cannot do. Hence, a power greater than self).
3. Make a decision to turn my will and life over to the care of God as I understand Him. (Decision being the operative word. As the old saying: Three frogs on a log, two decide to jump off. How many are left. Three. The two only decided to jump off.)
4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory. This is where action starts. Moral is the key word. Example: If I embrace the moral that all women are pathological liars. This ruins my relationships. I end up lonely. I need to ditch that moral, it doesn't work. Truth is that I may be the pathological liar, and, though some people may be pathological liars, they are not all women. The step is intended to be hard on ourselves and easy on others when completing this written assignment. There is a point to this. Later in the steps. We should have a written, personal, faults list by the end of this step.
5. Admitted to God, Self and another individual the exact nature of our wrongs. Not just the wrongs, but the exact nature, as I see it. Kind of like a confession. Must be with another person, though. I read to another person what I wrote in the previous step.
6. Became willing to have God remove all these defects of character. (mainly done in your head and heart. Not so easy, actually)
7. Humbly asked God to remove our shortcomings. Via prayer. Something we have hopefully habituated since step three (eventually in step 10/11 we make this a regular habit). This is where we see that we have some good and some bad (we are average people). Ask God to remove the bad wherever possible.
8. Made a list of all persons we have harmed and became willing to make amends to them all. Amends means specific change, not just a "whatever I did to piss you off, sorry." That's not good enough. Has to be specific, and has to change.
9. Made direct amends to such people whenever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others. So it would not be a good thing to tell a trusting wife "hey, I've been screwing the secretary for the past 5 years." Instead, stop the behavior completely, and immediately. Confessing to the wife may injure the secretary and devastate the wife. This sounds wrong, but I have seen many try to appease their inner guilt this way and it is rarely effective. Even harms others unnecessarily.  Nevertheless, if I have been stealing from my job, even if it threatens my employment, I must be willing to admit it (and pay it back). This is a rather complicated step and really needs an experienced sponsor to help out with it. This is the step where the feeling that the problem is solved is very strong. The promises in recovery are quoted at this point in the AA "Big Book".
10. Continued to take inventory and when we were wrong, promptly admit it. (Who cares what the other did wrong. We keep our side of the street clean).
11. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for the knowledge of his will for us and  the power to carry it out. (get out of the habit of insisting that my plan is best, and praying that what I think should happen, happens.)
12. Having had an spiritual awakening as a result of these steps, we carry the message to others and try to practice these principles in all of our affairs.

Basically, it is a surrender, repent, confess, restitution and continued surrender to God, and evangelize (by helping others and carrying the message). Christians (and, yes, other faiths) have been doing it for thousands of years.

I have since converted to Christianity (past 25 years), and there are christian 12 step groups that have formed (Celebrate Recovery), but I just don't seem to fit in all that well. Some of my recovering friends have found them more beneficial, so, I don't know. I enjoy interacting with people who hate Jesus, God and religion only because that is how I lived for a number of years. Heard all the arguments for the past 25 years. One guy in Anxietyzone referred me to Professor Dawkins to enlighten me. Already been there, dude. Nothing is new. Blah, blah, blah... yeah right. I just love of on them patiently like others did with me, and, yes, sometimes they piss me off, as I do others, as well. Anyway. May have misquoted some of the steps, but got the idea right. Those with OCD can jam me up on it, if need be. I am an alcoholic and a dope fiend in recovery. At this point, I do not ascribe to the idea that as a Christian I am healed. If I were healed, I could drink and use normally. I am just not willing to take that risk, however unpopular the belief. I am Dual Diagnosed, as well. Mental Illness with addiction. I use medication, and I have contended with others in 12 step over this. Some folks see it as not a genuine recovery. I can respect that narrow minded point of view (oops! Did I say that?!!!)
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Re: Gaining Self-esteem?
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2013, 09:20:37 PM »
Hey there HOWIFEEL!!
I SOO appreciate ALL the effort and time you have put in your response, thank you!  :winking0008:
I am a Christian, so reading the twelve steps you wrote out, I TOTALLY recognized so much of what is written in the Bible played out in the twelve steps.  So I can see why the twelve steps results have been so lauded as very effective.
I also appreciate your realness and frankness!  :yes:
I am in your camp about, if you need meds, so be it.
I hate religion, and the "labels" and cookie cutters it makes that says everything and everyone must fit "just so".
Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom... To say, if it is oppressive etc it is not of God.  HIS yoke is easy and His burden is light...  Anyhow.. I figure I could share this stuff with you without stepping on anyone's toes since you brought it all up. 
Hugs!!   :angel-smiley-006:  :action-smiley-065:
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Re: Gaining Self-esteem?
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2013, 07:00:11 PM »
Thanks Happy!
I like your handling of the Word! I love reading it and studying it (obeying it, of course). Truly a lamp to our feet. 12 steps were derived from the Book of James, the book of Philippians and the Sermon on the Mount Matt ch5-ch7. As Christians we get our toes stepped on much more regularly IMO. Yet...hey... there is freedom of speech granted that others may contend if they would like. There is a cookie cutter Christian image, and if not lived up to (especially in some churches) you are treated poorly. I'm out to change that. There are NO ministries that I know of that help the mentally ill, specifically. Many church folk don't know how to handle it. Need prayer about staying strong during the anniversary of a bad event (Jan 15th, 2008). I am already feeling the depression creeping in.
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Re: Gaining Self-esteem?
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2013, 05:48:22 PM »
Hey there HOWIFEEL
Yeah, there is a thought out there that when Adam and Eve covered themselves with leaves, once their eyes were opened, was the first act of "religion".  (later in the chafer God clothes them with skins). 
Religion- being man's ideas of what to do re:our relationship with God.  That is how I see it.  The only way to be right before God, is to do it how He's fit!  Like when Saul was impatient when waiting for (Nathaniel?the prophet) to give the sacrifice, and did it himself. Then the prophet comes up over the mountain.  Uh oh.. Saul's in trouble!)
so, I see religion, including in Christianity, as man's interpretation on what is right before God.  As humans, we get it wrong all the time.  The enemy twists facts / the truth- deceit- to tempt people to do wrong. In the garden of Eden.. "did God really say?" such and such.. When tempting Jesus in the wilderness "doesn't the word say.."
So, as Christians, we can interpret stuff wrong too.  If it isn't light and easy (in line with the word) it could be religion/works of the flesh.  God has the real interpretation.  Motivation says a lot.  Like, what was the heart behind Adam and Eve's decision?  Jesus had pure motivation when He was tempted by Satan in the wilderness to "bow down so He could have all the kingdoms etc". I love the "love chapter" if I give all I have, and if I know all mysteries, Nd if I have all goblets, and sacrifice my body etc etc etc- paraphrased- but have NOT LOVE!! It is nothing!! SO MOTIVE-motivation behind it all is key, in my opinion... Also where humility comes in.  I like the definition of humility as: knowing who you are in relation to God and man.  With man we are equal.  With God HE is superior...
Well.. Thanks for letting me motor on!! LOL!!
Praying you get comfort and peace and healing with the up coming date you are facing.
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Re: Gaining Self-esteem?
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2013, 06:07:17 PM »
****goblets.  Is supposed to be GIFTS- like can work miracles, speak in tongues of men and angels etc.
1 Corinthians 13 - love chapter..
So in the Christian "debates" and stepping on toes or what have you... Anything done not in love- "speak the truth in love" is basically not of God..

Anyway. I won't motor on any longer ! LOL!!
Just my I pad was inputting things like goblets!! LOL
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