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Feel like I'm loosing touch with reality.
« on: September 30, 2012, 01:42:58 PM »
Hello all, well I've had Anxiety for about 6 months now and I feel like It's only gotten worse. Despite this, I'm staying ontop of all my classes, workout every day,  on an athletic sport in college, and work at my job on the weekends. I constantly fear developing Schizophrenia or Bi Polar disorder, and I also worry that I currently have it . I have gotten much reassurance that I am not, but still the fears remain. I suffer near constant Derealizaiton and Depersonalization, which fuels my fears of having/developing a mental Illness. I currently feel detached from everything, like I'm living in some dream world, have no interests in barely anything, and have no emotion like at all.. It's also makes me REALLY hard to focus on anything at all, because I feel so absorbed in my mind with the worrying thoughts about developing an mental Illness or going crazy etc... These thoughts are really freaking me out lately and I really feel like I'm about to go crazy. I also worry about my existence, such as, am I even real? Or is this just all a dream? Stuff like that...

I was feeling pretty good about a week ago, then I came down with an Cold and of course my Anxiety started up, and I began to worry that It was something else more severe than just a cold. Every since then, my Anxiety has been very high and my DP/DR is constantly high feeling very, very absorbed in my mind and detached from everything.

For example, I went to a movie the other night with some friends. I felt so detached the entire time and the entire movie theater felt foreign even though I've been there plenty of times. I was so absorbed in my mind that I barely even remember the movie. It sucks.. For the past week I wake up every day, feeling like yesterday was a dream.. that's how detached I feel, It's so hard to remember things. It's like one week I feel good, and then the next something spurts my Anxiety and I start worrying again.

Does this still just sound like Anxiety? Despite what others say, of course, I'm constantly worried It's something more  :sad0147:
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Re: Feel like I'm loosing touch with reality.
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2012, 03:04:49 PM »
It sounds like anxiety and a pure O obsession about your mental health.
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« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2012, 03:39:17 PM »
I've been through periods like this as well. It's a scary feeling to deal with when you first experience it but it will pass. It will pass. Have you seen a therapist? They can do you a world of good.
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« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2012, 11:27:43 PM »
Thank you for your responses. I've been going through this on/off for awhile now and I feel like it's getting worse. Or, maybe that's just my mind making it worse. I just feel lost and like I'm about to loose it, which of course never happens but I feel that way so intensely. I do see a psychiatrist regularly about this.
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Re: Feel like I'm loosing touch with reality.
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2012, 06:17:26 AM »
Hbrower, when I first started having anxiety 4 years ago, this was my number one fear. Having Schizophrenia or developing it, at the same time I had savage depersonalisation. Mate its hell and I know what your going through, but I can tell you that it gets soooo much easier with time and will eventually go away. At the moment your brain is on overdrive on every level, its kind of like it 'testing' you, thinking of every concevable answer to your questions.

Hang in there mate, keep active and you'll get through it
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« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2012, 09:09:24 AM »
Does anxiety and Pure O ever go away or does it just go dormant after a while? Would love to hear the opinions of folks out there.
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Re: Feel like I'm loosing touch with reality.
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2012, 11:10:20 AM »
Hi all,

I can say that I've personally experience DP/DR and a small case of Pure O in the past and can say that I believe that I don't experience the same sensations like I have when I met my first few bouts with it.

I suffer near constant Derealizaiton and Depersonalization, which fuels my fears of having/developing a mental Illness. I currently feel detached from everything, like I'm living in some dream world, have no interests in barely anything, and have no emotion like at all.. It's also makes me REALLY hard to focus on anything at all, because I feel so absorbed in my mind with the worrying thoughts about developing an mental Illness or going crazy etc... These thoughts are really freaking me out lately and I really feel like I'm about to go crazy. I also worry about my existence, such as, am I even real? Or is this just all a dream? Stuff like that...

It's very sad to hear a post of someone going through this when I can absolutely relate. I only hope that my post may help alleviate your worries even in the slightest. The derealisation and depresonalisation sensations are, without a doubt, a very insidious symptom of anxiety and stress. It's very difficult for others to completely understand someone who has experienced DP/DR - reality checking is intact but 'something' just doesn't feel right. This inevitably turns into a cycle: constant thought and reality checking, hypervigilance on surroundings and sensations, constant worry and exacerbated symptoms. No one should ever have to go through this.

I used to go through the same thoughts as well - "Am I really here?", "Is that me in the mirror?" etc etc. It took me awhile to be able to learn from those experiences.

I was feeling pretty good about a week ago, then I came down with an Cold and of course my Anxiety started up, and I began to worry that It was something else more severe than just a cold. Every since then, my Anxiety has been very high and my DP/DR is constantly high feeling very, very absorbed in my mind and detached from everything.

At least there's proof to show you and other people that there is room to recover from those symptoms. You may have relapses but always remember that you've felt 'good' before even when you can feel it right now. Believing that you can recover is the first step to becoming self-sufficient and reaching your therapeutic goals.

Does this still just sound like Anxiety? Despite what others say, of course, I'm constantly worried It's something more  :sad0147:

Yes, it does. There are other clinical considerations but from what you've told me - it sounds like heightened anxiety and self-focus. The best advice I can give you which sounds counter-intuitive to all that you may have read or learned about DP/DR and anxiety, is that acceptance is the key. This isn't passive resignation to the fact that the symptoms are there; it's 'knowing' that they're there and still seeking to live your life. Acceptance is not the easiest thing to do in which case I'm going to suggest to you that CBT techniques and exercises can certainly help with the DP/DR as they are designed to help you with the underlying cause - anxiety. Once you have this under control, usually the symptoms lift and there is some relief felt.

Studies have shown that mindfulness practice can help reduce the impact on depersonalisation symptoms across different psychopathologies (Matthias et al., 2007; Michalak et al., 2012). The rest is up to you to take the next proactive step even through all the 'unreality' and 'unfeeling'.

Hope the best for you.
  • Michal, Matthias MD; Beutel, Manfred E. MD; Jordan, Jochen PhD; Zimmermann, Michael MD; Wolters, Susanne; Heidenreich, Thomas PhD, 2007., Depersonalization, Mindfulness, and Childhood Trauma, Journal of Nervous & Mental Disease: August 2007 - Volume 195 - Issue 8 - pp 693-696
  • Johannes Michalak, Jan Burg, Thomas Heidenreich, 2012., Don't Forget Your Body: Mindfulness, Embodiment, and the Treatment of Depression, Journal of Mindfulness
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Re: Feel like I'm loosing touch with reality.
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2012, 03:12:02 AM »
Benji88, thank you for your response. It's really nice to know that others suffer from the same fears I do, even when it seems and feels like I'm the only one. I really appreciate your post!

EclectricJoe, yes. I do personally believe that Anxiety and Pure O can subside for any/everybody.  I think it depends the actions you take, having a positive mindset, finding out what caused the Anxiety, and not letting the Anxiety get the better half of you. You must first take the right steps in order to recover, which I am after 6/7 months still trying to figure out what works for me. Of course, this is just my opinion also.

Coeus, thank you SO much for this informative post. It really helped relieve me somewhat and good to hear from somebody else who relates. You're right, nobody really understands what it's like to go through such intense Anxiety bouts and DP/DR. I try to explain, they nod, but don't REALLY understand just how frightening it really is feeling like you're going mad 24/7. My main problem I suffer with is acceptance like you mentioned. I have a very hard time accepting this is Anxiety and nothing more like Schizo/Bi Polar. I'm always going circles in my head, wondering what If I'm going crazy? What If I'll loose control or I already did? Etc.. Not to mention the DP/DR doesn't help with me trying to accept it's Anxiety. Thanks again for your great post, I really appreciate it :)
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« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2012, 05:25:38 AM »
Coeus, thank you SO much for this informative post. It really helped relieve me somewhat and good to hear from somebody else who relates. You're right, nobody really understands what it's like to go through such intense Anxiety bouts and DP/DR. I try to explain, they nod, but don't REALLY understand just how frightening it really is feeling like you're going mad 24/7. My main problem I suffer with is acceptance like you mentioned. I have a very hard time accepting this is Anxiety and nothing more like Schizo/Bi Polar. I'm always going circles in my head, wondering what If I'm going crazy? What If I'll loose control or I already did? Etc.. Not to mention the DP/DR doesn't help with me trying to accept it's Anxiety. Thanks again for your great post, I really appreciate it :)

Not a problem. The word 'acceptance' is thrown around quite a bit nowadays to express different psychological aspects. It's my belief that acceptance isn't an 'Aha!' moment - no one really wakes up one morning and instantly accepts everything that haunts them. To me, acceptance seems like either a gradual process or an unexpected one. It's a non-striving but not passive understanding of our circumstances and to be 'okay' with those circumstances; it can be cultivated or it can arise from a pivotal experience. A very difficult concept.

I can relate completely to you - even though our experiences differ in substance, DP/DR is something that can only be felt and not understood (when I say this, I'm referring to how someone who hasn't experienced DP/DR couldn't feel the same experiences as someone has). I've had similar worries thinking that I would not get better, that I would become a schizophrenic and that my mind would just disintegrate. I remember vividly sitting in a restaurant with my mates when I was going through DP/DR - it was horrific. I felt like a nervous wreck, checking everything around me and feeling incredibly disjointed from what I could see and hear. I can't scientifically describe what DP/DR is - all I know is that there is a way out of it, whether it be in days or whether it be in years. I went to see a therapist and the first step was psychoeducation - learning about my anxiety, my triggers and how thoughts propel us into a self-focused spiral. From there, things don't just magically disappear - you simply learn to see your anxiety differently and for me, the DP/DR lingers for a bit and leaves eventually or you come to a stage where you don't even remember what the experience of DP/DR is because your mind is in a completely different state.

I really hope these posts can help you understand your experiences and how you perceive DP/DR. Learning to ride along with your thoughts about the sensations is the key as is awareness first of all.

Be well.
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Re: Feel like I'm loosing touch with reality.
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2012, 03:58:05 PM »
Just felt like updating this.. It's been a little over a week and I'm still very anxious and worried. My DP/DR is really high and I feel very detached. I keep questioning existence and feeling as if everything is just really weird.. Like, asking myself, "Is this real life, or a dream?" Because it definitely feels like a dream. I have barely been able to sleep at night lately due to racing thoughts that are just completely negative and it keeps me up almost all night. My girlfriend commented just the other night about how worn down and tired I look lately.. I guess I'll attribute that to my Anxiety. My mind feels so jammed and jumbled with negative thoughts, and I don't even have a free second to think clear.. It feels so jammed and full of negative such as me feeling like I'm going crazy or having a mental breakdown. I did see my psychiatrist just the other day, and like always, he assures me it's a heightened Anxiety/OCD state that I am experiencing.. Of course, I beg to differ. I feel like I'm just in one huge constant Anxiety/panic attack that wont stop.. It's crazy. Hopefully this get's better soon... Thanks for reading.
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« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2012, 07:11:16 PM »
I would first like to thank you all for making me look up what Pure O was, because I had never heard of it.  Pure O, or what I now know as Purely Obsessional OCD (OCD without the compulsions)  is what I now realize to be at the root of my anxiety, and it makes a lot of sense, because I suffered from OCD in high school, and got myself to stop doing the compulsions and considered myself cured for the longest time, now I have anxiety but never related it to the OCD in the past because of my lack of compulsions.  So thank you forum for giving me some insight.

Secondly, I totally know the feeling of thinking you're losing your mind or developing schizophrenia because I also worry about that when I have the DP/DR symptoms related to my panic (which I'm getting more under control with a lot of self work)  I picked up a book from my school library, I am in graduate school to become an MFT, and in it it talks about all sorts of different anxiety, stress or mood related issues, and one of them is panic.  It mentions the DP/DR aspect of it and has a symptom explanation (I was just suggesting this book to others in a different topic, but I don't want to be spamming about it so I'll just say the title and this particular point)  It describes the symptom as feeling spacey, unreal, depersonalized, and the thoughts associated as "I'm going crazy, I'm losing hold of myself, I won't make it back this time"  It offers this medical reality: " These are harmless fight-or-flight reactions associated with hyperventilation and reduced blood and oxygen flow to the brain.  They are temporary and never result in insanity or losing your control of your actions.  There are no reported incidents of schizophrenia, paralysis, or "running amuck" following a panic attack." 

I know that you don't mention panic attacks as your symptoms, but the symptoms as related to anxiety seem the same.

Therapy helps a lot, I had to undergo 24 hours of required therapy as part of my degree, and I do remember feeling toward the middle/end (maybe about 11-15 sessions in) that it was actually making things worse and getting harder.  It is important to discuss those feeling with your therapist and stick with it.  I had to stick with it because it was required, and I can tell you that for me, I think when it got harder was just before I was about to make some important insights about myself.  Don't every be worried to tell your therapist if you're not happy with the way things are going.  It won't hurt their feelings (if they're any good) and it's important for them to get feedback so they can help you the best.  Be very honest with your therapist, as honest as you can given the relationship, you don't need to force yourself.

If a therapist ever seems hurt by something you told them, or are getting too personally involved, it may be a good idea to switch therapists.  Your sessions should always be about you, not them.  Therapists are encouraged to seek their own counseling for their own self care, it is not your job to tend to them.  If you are seeing a therapist that you feel like you need to take care of or protect, you should get a referral for a different one.  It's not likely that you'll be able to do the same work with someone you're protecting.

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« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2012, 01:13:47 PM »
Hey all! Well, I thought maybe another update was in store.. :yawn: I have been able to manage my Anxiety for the most part these last few months, but unfortunately I've been having a really tough time these last few days. Feelings of unreality, absorbed in my mind 24/7, feeling unhappy, depressed, just completely detached and in my head focusing on the negative. I feel like this is the worst I have ever felt, and it is definitely a set back. It's times like these that make me question my sanity and if I am about to just completely loose it, or if I'm going psychotic.. etc.

Despite suffering through this for around 9/10 months now, I still can't shake the fear of possibly being Bi Polar or Schizophrenic, or possibly suffering from a different illness. I am definitely a hypochondriac as well at times. All the crazy symptoms still make me worry. my DP/DR has been SO high lately that everything just feels so... out of place and weird. Even my closest friends feel weird. I feel so absorbed in my mind and have constant racing thoughts.. My mind feels on overdrive 24/7. It's really hard to show emotion and even show a smile these last few days because I feel just so .... bummed. I literally feel consumed by the negative thoughts produced in my head, that I have become so numb to the world around me. It sucks and really puts me down. I don't even feel like going outside or doing anything at all. In short, I feel like I'm just dieing and going completely insane even though no matter how horrible I feel, nothing ends up happening. I don't know how to make myself believe that I'll be alright and that I'm not suffering from anything more than Anxiety/OCD.

 I just wanted to give an update and I also needed some encouragement right now.. Feeling so down low in the dumps, I don't know how I'll get back up. Thanks again, Happy Holidays!!
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« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2012, 01:55:28 PM »
You are not going psychotic. I have dealt with psychotic people and they don't even know they are psychotic. This is plain and simple an obsession with your mental state and thoughts and your reaction to those thoughts which causes more anxiety, numbness, derealization, etc. Then you see something like the Sandy Hook shooting and think, OMG that could be me next month. It won't be you, so calm down.

You will be okay but you have to be committed to waging war on this crap every day. Are you seeing a therapist? How about meds, are you on any? Do you exercise? I'm not talking a twenty minute walk, I'm talking an hour of driving your heart rate up to about 60-70% of you max.

Another possibility is that sometimes emotional numbing is a way that your mind is telling you it is recovering from a long bout of anxiety or depression. It is healing itself. It will go away, you just need to use to weapons to make it go away faster.

Talk to me, Goose.
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« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2012, 03:03:20 PM »
I agree with Joe. Psychologically speaking, derealization does seem like it is essentially a defense mechanism, or a way of kind of automatically detaching ourselves from anxiety problems...rather than facing the issues directly.
Try to identify and examine the thoughts that go along with these feelings as specifically as possible, and explore the root causes of your anxiety. How do you feel physically when you experience derealization and what do you fear will happen as a result? The more specific you can get, the better. You can start to systematically break down and disprove the automatic irrational thoughts in your subconscious. It's a good first step knowing on a conscious level that you aren't going insane, but there are still thoughts there in the subconscious that make you (falsely) believe, or at least worry, otherwise!
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« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2012, 07:08:16 PM »
. I am going through something very similar to the man who posted this thread. I am constantly over-thinking about negative things at times i feel llike death and gloomy, an when I say that iItruly mean it but I know that it is all down to anxiety and tension because there will be times when I will not be caught up in destruction of my thinking. My thinking patterns are negative as of course which is why I am here, and trying to seek out answers from like-minded people who have been in similar situations to myself but have felt the joy of recovery from anxiety at whatever level it may be. I I believe my anxiety is parring with moderate but has been severe in last 6 months so Ihave got a loot better but I would do anything to be rid of it forever and put it behind me for good. When it all started nothing was happening in my life (not enough stress) after months of lying around dolling about thinking the worst and that I was a no good nobody one night I had my first panic attack after finishing a very strong cup of coffee at 3 AM. I thought that I was going to die but since learned about it and knew what it was on second account but what I was left with was what most people would call generalised ANXIETY, but I plugged away despite how I was feeling maybe had a few suicidal thoughts along the way (mild depression) I found myself a job to occupy myself but found that while working I still had the anxiety that had troubled me for so long.. I also have the physical symptoms of anxiety and it is like a tornado because they seem to manifest in a million ways and I can't stop them no matter what I do and they change all the time. I like one day I'llhave very bad cchest pains next day it'll be a mixture of aches and pains in muscles and joints to a furious tension headache. It's odd because people tell me to ignore them and treat it as nothing but I don't and I think too much about it and maybe exaggerate how I feel to my parents or whoever, and obviously they have no understanding because they are not me and all they can do is make an educated guess on how it might feel. anyway I won't ramble on forever. I just seeking more solid understanding on what I am doing to myself.. Because it's me who is creating the anxiety and I need to put a stop to it. I think that that the thinking is the main culprit for me but I read about this certain new way of thinking. I being a person with aspergers anyway this new way of thinking. Doesn't even seem possible but what do I know. Sorry Hbrower for butting in on your thread with my problems but your story is similar to myself . Oh and btw I have the same thoughts of developing some serious mental illness like schizophrenia or bi polar disorder. But you can't have schizophrenia and think you have got it I have come to the conclusion the notion is tha yyou are not aware you have it when you have it but it is the anxiety that makes you think you're turning crazy and when you hear stories on news of 20 year old kids who go a massacres spree it creates even more anxiety. It is a very vicious cycle of destruction which is only keeps continuing if you allow me it. I only wish you, I or anybody themselves may stop it and only them, I need help to get it under control.
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« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2012, 04:28:24 AM »
You are not going psychotic. I have dealt with psychotic people and they don't even know they are psychotic. This is plain and simple an obsession with your mental state and thoughts and your reaction to those thoughts which causes more anxiety, numbness, derealization, etc. Then you see something like the Sandy Hook shooting and think, OMG that could be me next month. It won't be you, so calm down.

You will be okay but you have to be committed to waging war on this crap every day. Are you seeing a therapist? How about meds, are you on any? Do you exercise? I'm not talking a twenty minute walk, I'm talking an hour of driving your heart rate up to about 60-70% of you max.

Another possibility is that sometimes emotional numbing is a way that your mind is telling you it is recovering from a long bout of anxiety or depression. It is healing itself. It will go away, you just need to use to weapons to make it go away faster.

Talk to me, Goose.

EclecticJoe, thank you for this. You are completely right in every aspect. I do have a complete obsession with my mental state and I am always questioning my feelings and thoughts due to my symptoms. I always over think things, and believe they are way worse than they really are. For example, lately I have been feeling really edgy, jittery, this weird hyper feeling.. and I immediately came to the conclusion that this may be a Bi Polar symptom I am having. (Even though deep down, I know I'm not). It just takes a huge toll.. Day in, day out. Always questioning my sanity even though nothing bad has happened for me to believe any of it. I am just going off of the weird sensations I feel everyday.

I do see a therapist who has told me I suffer from Anxiety, and OCD. I have mentioned all my fears to him about going crazy, schizophrenia, Bi Polar disorder and he tells me I'm just suffering from Anxiety, OCD. He has known me my entire life, so I should believe him when he says I'm not and just stop worrying. But, I cant.. no matter how many times I am assured it's like my mind will say "But.. WHAT IF you are?" It sucks. These "what if" thoughts, all come from my symptoms as well. Exercise wise, I do 6 days a week, sometimes twice a day. I row competitively in college and have to stay in tip top shape. We have had the past week off though, so I have taken the past week to recover from months of training.

Again, I really appreciate all that you have said. It gives me reassurance as well as confidence that I can get through this no matter how down/weird I feel.

I agree with Joe. Psychologically speaking, derealization does seem like it is essentially a defense mechanism, or a way of kind of automatically detaching ourselves from anxiety problems...rather than facing the issues directly.
Try to identify and examine the thoughts that go along with these feelings as specifically as possible, and explore the root causes of your anxiety. How do you feel physically when you experience derealization and what do you fear will happen as a result? The more specific you can get, the better. You can start to systematically break down and disprove the automatic irrational thoughts in your subconscious. It's a good first step knowing on a conscious level that you aren't going insane, but there are still thoughts there in the subconscious that make you (falsely) believe, or at least worry, otherwise!

Konwayeast, thank you for your reply also. The main fear I have when it comes to the weird sensations of derealization, is that it is more than just derealization. Like, for example, that it isn't related to Anxiety and it's a symptom of something more serious.. (Bi Polar or Schizophrenia, my two main fears). Now, even though I know that it probably isn't, like you said, I still have subconscious thoughts that make me worry it is. So it's a big cycle as you can see haha. DR makes me worry that it's something more than Anxiety, and because that, it causes more Anxiety which raises my DR and makes me feel pretty damn low in the dumps. I really just need to start thinking more positively on all of this. I haven't gone insane yet after 9ish months so I think I'm in the clear  :grinning-smiley-003:

Thanks again!

. I am going through something very similar to the man who posted this thread. I am constantly over-thinking about negative things at times i feel llike death and gloomy, an when I say that iItruly mean it but I know that it is all down to anxiety and tension because there will be times when I will not be caught up in destruction of my thinking. My thinking patterns are negative as of course which is why I am here, and trying to seek out answers from like-minded people who have been in similar situations to myself but have felt the joy of recovery from anxiety at whatever level it may be. I I believe my anxiety is parring with moderate but has been severe in last 6 months so Ihave got a loot better but I would do anything to be rid of it forever and put it behind me for good. When it all started nothing was happening in my life (not enough stress) after months of lying around dolling about thinking the worst and that I was a no good nobody one night I had my first panic attack after finishing a very strong cup of coffee at 3 AM. I thought that I was going to die but since learned about it and knew what it was on second account but what I was left with was what most people would call generalised ANXIETY, but I plugged away despite how I was feeling maybe had a few suicidal thoughts along the way (mild depression) I found myself a job to occupy myself but found that while working I still had the anxiety that had troubled me for so long.. I also have the physical symptoms of anxiety and it is like a tornado because they seem to manifest in a million ways and I can't stop them no matter what I do and they change all the time. I like one day I'llhave very bad cchest pains next day it'll be a mixture of aches and pains in muscles and joints to a furious tension headache. It's odd because people tell me to ignore them and treat it as nothing but I don't and I think too much about it and maybe exaggerate how I feel to my parents or whoever, and obviously they have no understanding because they are not me and all they can do is make an educated guess on how it might feel. anyway I won't ramble on forever. I just seeking more solid understanding on what I am doing to myself.. Because it's me who is creating the anxiety and I need to put a stop to it. I think that that the thinking is the main culprit for me but I read about this certain new way of thinking. I being a person with aspergers anyway this new way of thinking. Doesn't even seem possible but what do I know. Sorry Hbrower for butting in on your thread with my problems but your story is similar to myself . Oh and btw I have the same thoughts of developing some serious mental illness like schizophrenia or bi polar disorder. But you can't have schizophrenia and think you have got it I have come to the conclusion the notion is tha yyou are not aware you have it when you have it but it is the anxiety that makes you think you're turning crazy and when you hear stories on news of 20 year old kids who go a massacres spree it creates even more anxiety. It is a very vicious cycle of destruction which is only keeps continuing if you allow me it. I only wish you, I or anybody themselves may stop it and only them, I need help to get it under control.

Oliveroe, don't feel bad at all for posting that in this thread. I'm glad to listen and reply! I completely understand where you're coming from and have had many of the same sensations you have had. I especially understand what you mean by nobody understanding. I have talked to my parents,friends, and girlfriend about this, and they listen, but have no idea what is it like and what we go through everyday. It's very very tough sometimes, but when we get through it, we'll be even tougher looking back. It's also true to try and not give those sensations much attention, because if you do they'll only gain more power which in turn will make it worse. Try your best to just go with the flow of things and not overreact when you have any of those weird sensations occur. Lastly, I definitely understand Anxiety being caused by the shootings. My anxiety completely shot up because I worried if that will end up being me. Fact of the matter is, it wont be and that's just a false belief created by Anxiety and a negative thinking pattern. For now, let's both try to stay positive and be the happiest as possible despite how rough the road may be. It's good to know I'm not the only one out there going through a rough patch. We'll both get through this and I wish you the very best.
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Re: Feel like I'm loosing touch with reality.
« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2012, 09:21:19 AM »
I stole this from an OCD blog. Tell me what you guys think:

I thought this was a great quote from the famous Dan Millman. To me it sums up mindfulness–being aware of the mind but not taking seriously the endless chatter that comes from it. Just watching the thoughts go by
like things floating down river from you–passing you by:

Dan Millman on: “A Transcendental Solution”

“There is another, more radical solution to the problem of the mind: Let it be. Make peace with and accept it as it is. No need to fix or quiet it or do anything else about it. The mind is like a barking dog. You don`t have to get rid of the dog. After all, dogs naturally bark. Focus instead on directing your attention to what you are doing and let the dog bark. Let your thoughts be whatever they are, positive or negative, and get on with life. Learn self-compassion; make peace with your mind.

This is the highest form of meditation.

Many of us feel the need to quiet our minds because we are afraid of them–afraid of what we might think; afraid of negative, fearful, unpleasant,erotic, forbidden, disgusting thoughts; afraid of mental impulses.

Freedom from such fear comes when you realize three things:
First, thoughts are only the play of light on a movie screen. While thoughts may, like a movie, simulate laughter or tears, they have no intrinsic reality.

Second, although you can distract yourself or direct your attention elsewhere, you cannot control your thoughts.

Third, and most important, since you cannot control or stop them, you are not responsible for your thoughts, no matter how good or bad they may seem. How can you be responsible for thoughts or comets or sunspots or anything else you cannot control? You cannot control thoughts, only your response to them.”
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Re: Feel like I'm loosing touch with reality.
« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2012, 03:29:24 PM »
Hbrower, I was just curious to know if you take any medications for your symptoms or if you are strictly just seeing the therapist.

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Re: Feel like I'm loosing touch with reality.
« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2012, 04:11:30 PM »
HBrow...I've kind of been in a similar situation at times. Here's something I found helpful.

My guess, based on my experience, is that your fear of going insane stems from a variety of other thoughts/feelings/etc that leads you to believe on some level, that you could very well go insane. In other words, it's not a direct cause of your anxiety so much as it's a symptom.
You clearly have very good reason to believe that you are not going insane, but at some point in the past, when this all began, you probably had a random thought that you COULD go insane...this lead to physical and emotional feelings of anxiety and fear...which lead you to believe that maybe you actually were going insane...which lead to more fear and anxiety...etc. So, now, you associate certain physical feelings/emotions/etc with these scary and/or negative thoughts, and they come into your head almost reflexively as a response. Your body has probably also found that the quickest way to escape these negative thoughts/feelings/etc is to kind of numb itself from them...hence the derealization.
If that makes any sense to you, what you need to try and do is recognize any specific physical feelings or thoughts about those feelings that seem to pop into your head when you start feeling anxious or start having panicky thoughts. There is probably a certain logical pathway somewhere in your subconscious that you have created that leads you to believe that insanity is possible. For example, you believe that the adrenaline rush from anxiety is a sign of danger and will last forever, your heart will not stop beating, your mind will never stop racing, you won't be able to focus on anything, and you'll eventually end up insane. But, if you can recognize that it's just anxious adrenaline, a temporary situation with no danger, and it will not lead to anything you have imagined, you might be able to cut off that pathway before it leads to the insanity assumption.

Just a thought, because I know for a long time, I thought my biggest worry was that I would become anxious and never be able to calm down and I couldn't figure out why I thought this was a real possibility. Once I started looking at some of the thinking behind this, I have been able to recognize the faulty thinking that allowed me to continue believing things that I knew were plainly false.
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Re: Feel like I'm loosing touch with reality.
« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2012, 11:15:47 PM »
I can really relate to you.
I have been suffering dp/dr for 10 months, some days worse than others but its always there to some degree, liek its just become apart of me.
Like you, i still go out and live life. i study, go out with friends etc, even though i feel horrible.
I really hope there is hope of recovering from this. The panic i can deal with but the dp/dr is too much. :(
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Re: Feel like I'm loosing touch with reality.
« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2012, 11:17:04 PM »
Hbrower, when I first started having anxiety 4 years ago, this was my number one fear. Having Schizophrenia or developing it, at the same time I had savage depersonalisation. Mate its hell and I know what your going through, but I can tell you that it gets soooo much easier with time and will eventually go away. At the moment your brain is on overdrive on every level, its kind of like it 'testing' you, thinking of every concevable answer to your questions.

Hang in there mate, keep active and you'll get through it

Hey Benji when you had dp/dr how long did it last?
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« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2013, 03:47:59 AM »
Sorry, I've been out of town recently and very busy and forgot to log back in, but OneBadLadd, no I am currently not taking any medication.

So around New Years, I ironically felt very, very good. I felt worry free, and just plain great. The few days to follow, I was seriously convinced that I was getting better and on the road to recovery. On Jan 5th, I left to go to San Francisco with some friends for a little vacation. Things went very downhill from there. The entire time I was in San Fran, I felt very very detached and like I was in some dream state, but awake. My reality felt so altered. I know this was my DR/DP but it hit very hard for some reason. I also had this new very weird symptom happen which now unfortunately again spiked my worry of having Schizophrenia.. Hang in with me here because I don't really know how to explain it. I was laying in my hotel room bed, about to fall asleep and I felt like I was hearing voices in my head. I didn't actually hear voices, and I think it was all just in my head because I worked myself up... But I don't know and I'm pretty freaking scared I have to admit. I feel like it's finally happening and I'm starting to just loose it. Also yesterday I was listening to music and I thought I heard somebody call my name.. Even though it was probably just part of the music playing. I feel like I've been working myself up so much lately that my mind is so very tired and now playing tricks on me. I was almost free of this fear, and now it creep's  back up on me harder than ever before.  :yawn:. I'm hoping that this is just Anxiety and it will pass.... It's almost been a year now that I have been feeling this way. I'm keeping very active and healthy yet I feel like crap mentally. It's still hard to even be happy, I just feel consumed in my thoughts still. My confidence level is going down and I just feel like I'm going crazy yet again.
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Re: Feel like I'm loosing touch with reality.
« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2013, 09:32:03 AM »
Hbrower, glad I found this post, i myself am going through much of the same as you are. I get peaks and valleys of dp/dr the last week for me has been pretty heavy with it.  There are times I feel like I'm going insane.... These feelings do pass... And you know they will, because they have before.  I try and keep as active as possible during these times... I'm going to begin meditating and yoga soon as I hear these work wonders for anxiety and pure o.  I have been suffering for a little over a year now and like many people new to anxiety / depression / OCD, they say they miss themselves... One thing I'm slowly learning is they need to accept their new self and new thoughts as they pass by.  Hang in there for this bout you know it's only a passing feeling. PM if ya need   :action-smiley-065:
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« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2013, 12:18:14 PM »
I'm hoping that this is just Anxiety and it will pass.... It's almost been a year now that I have been feeling this way. I'm keeping very active and healthy yet I feel like crap mentally. It's still hard to even be happy, I just feel consumed in my thoughts still. My confidence level is going down and I just feel like I'm going crazy yet again.

I've just skimmed through the previous posts since it's been awhile now but many of the posts echo what I may suggest which is to continue with therapy and possibly to seek an integrative approach with different therapy forms. Mindfulness meditation has also been a crucial component for me in naturally moving past the DP/DR for me. It makes me shiver for a bit thinking about what the DP/DR felt like and what you might be going through and I wish I could reassure you constantly that it will pass.

The strange thing is that before you can let it pass you have to radically change the relationship you have with your anxiety. This is no easy task but it's worth every ounce of effort. The dream states sound very familiar to me - walking through an artificial lens at the world and then instantly labelling it DP/DR. It simply exacerbates those sensations again and no wonder why we're so on the edge and anxious.

What sort of things have you been working through with your therapist? Is there acceptance and mindfulness strategies that you've discussed with him/her?
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