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Fibromyalgia
« on: January 19, 2007, 11:32:49 AM »
Fibromyalgia

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Fibromyalgia (FM or FMS) is a chronic syndrome (constellation of signs and symptoms) characterized by diffuse or specific muscle, joint, or bone pain, fatigue, and a wide range of other symptoms. It is not contagious, and recent studies suggest that people with fibromyalgia may be genetically predisposed[1]. It affects more females than males, with a ratio of 9:1 by ACR (American College of Rheumatology) criteria[2]. Fibromyalgia is seen in 3% to 6% of the general population, and is most commonly diagnosed in individuals between the ages of 20 and 50. The nature of fibromyalgia is not well understood; some physicians believe that it may be psychosomatic or malingering. However, a new study reported in the National Fibromyalgia Association Newsletter [5], suggests a strong dopamine link. There are few, if any, treatments available. Although there is no cure, the disease itself is neither life-threatening nor progressive, though the degree of symptoms may vary greatly from day to day with periods of flares (severe worsening of symptoms) or remission.

History
Fibromyalgia has been studied since the early 1800s and referred to by a variety of former names, including muscular rheumatism and fibrositis[3]. The term fibromyalgia was coined in 1976 to more accurately describe the symptoms, from the Latin word fibra, meaning fiber, myo, meaning muscle, and the Greek word algos, meaning pain.
Fibromyalgia was first recognized by the American Medical Association as a "true" illness and the cause of disability in 1987. In an article the same year, in the Journal of the American Medical Association, a physician named Goldenberg called the syndrome Fibromyalgia.

Symptoms
The primary symptom of fibromyalgia is widespread, diffuse pain, often including heightened sensitivity of the skin (Allodynia), tingling of the skin (often needlelike), achiness in the muscle tissues, prolonged muscle spasms, weakness in the limbs, and nerve pain. Chronic sleep disturbances are also characteristic of fibromyalgia, and some studies suggest that these sleep disturbances are the result of a sleep disorder called alpha wave interrupted sleep pattern, a condition in which deep sleep is frequently interrupted by bursts of brain activity similar to wakefulness. REM sleep is seldom reached.
Many patients experience "brain fog", also known as "fibrofog", exhibiting abnormally slow brain waves and cognitive deficits[4]. Many experts suspect that "brain fog" is directly related to the sleep disturbances experienced by sufferers of fibromyalgia. It is not unusual for patients to experience extended periods (two hours or more) of sleep inertia.

Other symptoms often attributed to fibromyalgia (possibly due to another comorbid disorder) are chronic paresthesia, physical fatigue, irritable bowel syndrome, genitourinary symptoms (such as those associated with the chronic bladder condition interstitial cystitis), dermatological disorders, headaches, myoclonic twitches, and symptomatic hypoglycemia. Although it is common in people with fibromyalgia for pain to be widespread, it may also be localized in areas such as the shoulders, neck, back, hips, or other areas. Many sufferers also experience varying degrees of temporomandibular joint disorder. Not all patients have all symptoms.
Fibromyalgia can start as a result of some trauma (such as a traffic accident) or major surgery (usually hysterectomy), but there is currently no known strong correlation between any specific type of trigger and the subsequent initiation of fibromyalgia. Symptoms can have a slow onset, and many patients have mild symptoms beginning in childhood, such as growing pains. Symptoms are often aggravated by unrelated illness or changes in the weather. They can become more tolerable or less tolerable throughout daily or yearly cycles; however, many people with fibromyalgia find that, at least some of the time, the condition prevents them from performing normal activities such as driving a car or walking up stairs. The syndrome does not cause inflammation as is presented in arthritis, but anti-inflammatory treatments, such as Ibuprofen and Iontophoresis, are known to temporarily reduce pain symptoms in some people.

Variability of Symptoms
The following factors are said to temporarily increase the suffering of patients:
§ Cold weather, especially when damp
§ Changes in atmospheric pressure (such as with the onset of a cold front)
§ Malnutrition, hunger, or starvation
§ Physical activity
§ Lack of deep (REM) sleep
§ Increase of stress

Diagnosis
When making a diagnosis of fibromyalgia, a practitioner would take into consideration the patient's case history and the exclusion of other conditions such as endocrine disorders, arthritis, and polymyalgia rheumatica. There are also two criteria established by The American College of Rheumatology for diagnosis:

§ A history of widespread pain lasting more than three months — widespread as in all four quadrants of the body, i.e., both sides, and above and below the waist.

§ Tender points — there are 18 designated possible tender points (although a person with the syndrome may feel pain in other areas as well). During diagnosis, four kilograms-force (40 newtons) of force[6] is exerted at each of the 18 points; the patient must feel pain at 11 or more of these points for fibromyalgia to be considered. Four kilograms of force is about the amount of pressure required to turn fingernails white or to feel pain sensations on the forehead. This technique was developed by the American College of Rheumatology as a means of confirming the diagnosis for clinical studies. It is also used in the United Kingdom. Pressure on nearby areas rarely elicits any reaction.

Fibromyalgia patients also have elevated levels of Substance P in the body, which increases the levels of pain and intensity.
However, it should be remembered that this diagnostic criteria was originally established as an inclusion criteria for a research study and was not then intended for general diagnosis. The number of tender points that invoke a response can vary as the condition flares and eases. Patients have also been known to start off having Fibromyalgic symptoms in only one half of their body. The tender point test also depends on a good medical practitioner and good communication between doctor and patient: if the doctor misses the tender point site, then a false negative reponse could be noted; the doctor might not apply the right level of pressure to the tender point; if the patient has some tender points that hurt less than other points they might not mention them even if they do hurt; and some doctors do the test without telling the patient to say when it hurts, so if the patient conceals when some points hurts then a false negative response could be noted.


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Re: Fibromyalgia
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2007, 04:34:41 AM »
When they tested me, I had 16/18 of the points cause great pain.

My dad has it also, and neither of us buy into the 'not progressive' part of that text.  It's been progressive for both of us.  His is terrifically bad, and I'm at the age he was when his started kicking in.  I can't wait.

Pressure changes and bad weather HURT.  Moving around is bad at first but starts to fade away.  I also have to deal with the lousy sleep patterns and I don't think I've actually had any non-drugged REM sleep since I was 3. :)

It's not as bad as you think it'll be when they diagnose it though.
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Re: Fibromyalgia
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2007, 09:07:43 AM »
Knightsaber,

It saddened me to hear you have this also.   :(  I too have 16 of 18 points.  I have been hurting more since the diagnosis.?  is it possible for my mind to think MORE pain just from this knowledge??  Actually I was always in pain, but thought it was just from being tense with anxiety.

Pretty sad when friends trust my knees more than the weatherman.  ::)   :laugh3:  Yes when the weather is going to change a lot, I hurt bad.  Nice.  Not..

Do you find your anxiety can greatly increase when  you are more in pain?  Is there anything you take or do to relieve your pain? 

I take cyclobenzaprine (muscle relaxer) and Zyprexa for anxiety.  My anxiety is way down but I'm struggling with the pain.

I really didn't expect anyone else here to suffer this.  Any feedback would be great.  This is so new to me.
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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2007, 03:57:18 PM »
Actually after a while with it, my anxiety about my muscle and joint pain went down because I know what it is.  If that makes sense?

At the beginning, it was horrible :(

I only take clonazepam for my anxiety and Atarax as needed, but I haven't needed it for months (until the other day, I need to refill it though, never pay attention to that bottle).

I take nothing for the fibro, nothing works for me.  I can drown in tylenol and ibuprofen and still have issues getting up and moving.  Once you get going it's easier.

I really don't know what else to say.  It hurts, it messes with my sleep patterns, it makes you tired (quite a lot). 

I hate to say this, but the pain is probably something you'll have to live with, that's what I've always been told.  So I am.  I just remind myself that it could be a lot worse :)
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Re: Fibromyalgia
« Reply #4 on: February 29, 2008, 11:08:39 PM »
I don't have this condition, but my mother was told she had it by doctors and she lived with it for quite awhile suffering from body pain and feeling rather unclear in the head. And then she tried getting rid of Glutton in her diet (wheat and pasta products) and now she has absolutely no more pain and feels like a totally new person.

I now no one has responded to this for awhile but I thought I should put this out there if anyone wanted to give this a try, it might help you like it did her.  :winking0008:
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Re: Fibromyalgia
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2008, 07:01:28 PM »
Great post APPLE kudos 2 u :action-smiley-065:
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Re: Fibromyalgia
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2008, 05:26:43 PM »
Hm.

Mine has been getting strange, it's not so much pain anymore than it is stiffness and soreness.  I have no idea if that's normal or not.

Lately I sleep far too much, I'm starting to really worry about that.

I'm -really- -really- starting to worry about what sort of shape I'm in.  I drove to the store, picked up three things, came home, put said things away, went upstairs, sat down and it took me maybe ten minutes to catch my breath.  I know I don't get around as well as I used to because it just plain hurts too much.  But if it's going to result in this sort of thing, I'm going to seriously have to find a way to deal with it.  I have spring cleaning to do and actually sat here for a while in tears thinking about having a massive coronary trying to move furniture, thank you hypochondria/fibro.

Not sure what I should do right now.
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Re: Fibromyalgia
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2008, 01:56:49 PM »
Knighsaber
I have the stiffness and soreness, especailly in the morning.  I think because I have stressful dreams I am tense while I sleep causing this.  I have it even when I dont remember dreaming tho.

I know you are dealing with this med free and wish to stay that way. However I did want to let you know what is making me live a better life.  Cyclobenzaprine ( muscle relaxer), Gabapentine (pain med, not a narcotic).  I have been taking these for about a year or more.  They really help.  And I can do things like clean the house, move furnature or have sex without paying for it the next day or for days.  I'm still sore but not so sore I cant do anything and I'm not as tired as I used to be.  I think being in pain all the time makes you tired.

 and since I was put on Seroquel (anti psychotic) about a week ago...I have been soo relaxed when I wake up I dont feel stiff anymore, and my anxiety is contolled.

I'm not saying go one these meds, maybe one or two.  Maybe just keep fighting as you have been.  Talk to you doctor and find out what steps you can take.

I feel for you hun.  I know the pain you go thru.  It is so wrong.  I hope you find what your looking for.  I wish you could ease your pain. 
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Re: Fibromyalgia
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2008, 12:13:47 AM »
Apple, you're too nice.

Let me see.  I'm not exactly med free, I have klonopin for my anxiety, nothing for the fibro so technically yes, you're right.

I can also clean the house, and move furniture, it's just really really hard.  Sex, well that requires two to tango haaa! So skipping that one. 

And yeah I think you're right, being in pain all the time is bound to make one tired.  I'd completely forgotten that I'd just had Easter dinner right before my trip out to the store, and well, that was kind of a bad idea.  I am thinking about the muscle relaxers, but I don't think that and klonopin would mix too well.  We'll see.

And here in Iowa, it's quickly going from winter to spring, that doesn't help.  Oohh maybe I'll try sex therapy heheh.  Wait, no, sorry.

And by the way for my own ego, post 200!
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Re: Fibromyalgia
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2008, 10:59:59 AM »
I take the Gabapentin along with the klonopin.  Its ok.  check with your doc and let me know
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Re: Fibromyalgia
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2008, 06:58:11 PM »
Hi everyone,

I am new here, but I saw the post on Fibro and I had to respond!  I too, have fibro and it is a daily struggle just to get things done around the house for me.  I, too, have experienced fibro as a progressive thing.  It has gotten a lot worse in the past two years.

I had like 16/18 of the trigger points, too :( 

I find that my anxiety and any stress I experience actually makes my pain worse.  Are you all experiencing that as well?

My doctor has put me on a lot of pain medication, but I still hurt.  I don't really take anything for my PTSD specifically, though I have Xanax PRN for panic attacks and such.

I am sorry that more than just myself is suffering with this awful condition here.  My sympathy definitely goes out to you!
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« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2008, 02:01:21 PM »

A year ago there were no theories about this illness.  Basically they are only now starting to discover more about it.

The new theory is that the body has too much magnesium phosphates and is unable to get it out of the muscles.  So even blood tests may show adequate magnesium in the blood, but no way to test the muscles.  Also too much chemicals from foods.

The Fibromyalgia Diet

Things you should eat:

Omega 3 fatty acids, salmon, tuna, fish, chicken, nuts, organic fruit, organic vegetables, whole grain bread, rye bread, oatmeal, granola, cod liver oil, Dairy products that are low in trans fat, red potatoes, very lean red meat.  Try to get as much organic foods as you can.  They are not loaded with chemicals.

Things you should NOT eat:

White potatoes, bell peppers, eggplant, tomatoes, any baking made with white flour (its all bleached), cake, donuts, pie, shortening, chocolate, all processed cereal, Fatty dairy products, processed meat (lunch meat), smoked or cured meat (again chemicals), potato chips, crackers, pop (loaded with phosphoric acid that your body needs to rid itself of)


The medication I am going to try is called Guaifenesin.  You should be on this diet while taking this med.

Check out http://fibromyalgia.ncf.ca/dsguai.htm   and   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guaifenesin

Reminder to stay away from monosodium glutamate and salicylic acid (bengay, some herbal teas, alka seltzer, pepto bismal, ASA, motrin, advil and asprin)  stick to acetaminophen products.


Always hopeful
Apple
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Re: Fibromyalgia
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2008, 02:07:51 PM »
Chocolate!?!?

Tomatoes!?!?!?!

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« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2008, 02:52:54 PM »

Its been a month on this diet.  I don't know if its all in my head wanting it to work so bad, or if it really is helping. My pain is less and when I get up in the morning I am not as stiff and sore as I was.  I started the Guaifenesin a couple days ago.  Its a type of cough syrup.  The doc has me on a low dose twice a day for a month then I will increase it.  I hope it helps. 
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« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2008, 03:31:06 PM »
I hope it works for you too Apple, sounds like yours is worse than mine.

Good luck, you deserve some relief.
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