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His denial My disgust
« on: October 17, 2006, 12:27:37 AM »
I finally got up the nerve to tell my mother that my cousion had repeatdly rped me over a long period of time. and she tells me today that my aunt (her sister his mother ) said that im lying and im fuc*ing crazy! i almost died. why on earth would i make something like that up. i have such bad anxiety disgust and gulit ight now its not even funny . my whole face in numb, my neck and head are tense, and i feel like crying. has anyone been through a similiar thing?
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« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2006, 12:52:47 AM »
Courtney,

I'm so sorry that you're going through this. You deserve support from your family, not to be called a liar. I imagine it would be the last thing a mother would want to admit is true about her son, but if she were a reasonable person she would hear what you had to say and not be threatened by it. The fact that she had such a strong reaction to what you told your mother makes me think that she might have some idea that it's true. Otherwise why would she be so upset?

You have nothing to feel guilty about. You haven't done anything wrong, and you have every right to tell what happened to you and not feel ashamed about it. Not telling about it is what feeds the shame and you don't deserve to feel like that. Please go find a therapist to deal with all this. There are sexual abuse centres that give free counselling too I think. You are going to need some help to work through this. Once you go for therapy, you'll wish you'd gone years ago.

You know what's true and what really happened and you need to stick to the truth and not back down if the family starts putting pressure on you to be quiet. If anything, I would go the other way and would if I were you consider trying to put him in jail for what he did to you. You're young, so it couldn't be all that long ago. Please continue to stand up for yourself, you deserve to be treated with respect, and remember that you're so not alone in this. I read somewhere that at least 25% of women have been sexually abused, including me. We need to be open about what's happened, seek help and let go of the shame, because we haven't done anything wrong.

Take care sweetie!

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« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2006, 12:56:33 AM »
thanks rachel. im going to start looking around for somekind of counselor. i have thought about bringing him up on charges but dont know if its to late.
thanks for responding
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« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2006, 01:05:09 AM »
Courtney,

He deserves to be brought up on charges. Would probably make you feel better and help you heal. How much older is he that you?

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« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2006, 02:13:01 AM »
hes 23 so 3years older, with a 2 year old daughter which scares me more
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« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2006, 02:18:35 AM »
I have no sympathy for rapists. I think you should DEFINATELY bring him up on charges. I cant imagine what that must feel like. I hope you make the right decision.
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« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2006, 02:34:57 AM »
i feel like i should but i wonder if it would even be worth it? what if they can convict him? id have to go through all those memories for nothing.
thanks rachel and gman for repling! :spineyes:
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« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2006, 02:44:43 AM »
Courtney,

It would be worth it because in telling your story, you are set free from it. It would be worth it because you could make sure the same thing doesn't happen to his daughter. It would be worth it because every time you chose to stand up for yourself, instead of staying quiet, you get stronger. You are going to have to go through all those memories anyway if you want to heal. They are probably a large part of what is driving your anxiety. When you had your miscarriage, that was the thing that was the last straw for you. Having a miscarriage is a hard loss, but if you were a happier person with a happier past it may not have effected you so much. Because you already had so much trauma in your past that hasn't been dealt with when you went through the loss of your child, it was all too much and anxiety showed up. I believe anxiety is actually a cover or distraction for something deeper. I'm no doctor and I'm sure plenty of people would agree with me, but that's what I believe. It actually shows up to protect you from the really scary things that are going on underneath.

I looked on line and it looks like the statute of limitations is 12 years from the time you turn 18 for these types of crimes in your state.

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« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2006, 02:53:17 AM »
Rachel,
thankyou for taking the time to listen to me and look up that information. what you said does ring true. thats one of the main reasons of me deciding to speak up finally. i love his daughter like my own and id kill whoever hurt her.
im going to take sometime to think and decide what im going to do. who knows your probally right. maybe after i get all this over with and start talking to someone my anxiety will disappear.
your a great person, i cant thankyou enough for the support youve shown me!
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« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2006, 03:09:47 AM »
Courtney,

You're welcome. Whatever you decide, it will be the right thing for you. Just make sure that you have got lots of information before you make a decision. There is an amazing amount of help and resources out there, if you're willing to look and ask for help. Take care.

Rachel :nature-smiley-003:
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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2006, 01:29:48 PM »
Courtney just remember you have a lot of support and love here.

You sound like a very strong strong women and i commend you for that!! Not many people could go through what you have been through and handle things so well.

Good luck to you!! And remember you have come this far, don't look back.
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« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2006, 02:51:38 PM »
 :fragend005: :Oh hun im so sorry for you and feel sad for you that you had to go through that. i think he should be definatly convicted , imagine you have the power to prevent him from harming anyone else in the way he harmed you, i cant imagine what you are going through nobody deserves that to happen them, you seem to me like a very strong person , and when you come through this you will come out an even stronger person remember there are always people here to talk to you
 Care and concern
kiarax x x x x x x
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« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2006, 03:46:14 PM »
Similar thing happened to me with my step brother.  When I spoke up he denied it of course.  They told my whole family and everyone thought I was crazy!!  I was 18 and I fled to another city.

Now his daughter is a teenager and probably brings friends over and it makes me sick and scared.  I cant do anything now and I dont want you to do that to you. 

Please find the strength to charge him.  Even if they find him not guilty it will at least give the courts something to look at if he does this to someone else.

I was too scared.  If you are too, I definitely wouldnt think bad of you.  With anxiety and everything it makes something like this unbearable.

I am truely sorry for your pain...
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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2006, 06:28:36 PM »
May God bless you with peace of mind and the strength to carry on  :yes:
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« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2006, 09:05:51 PM »
I have been through a similar situation, except that I wasn't the one molested. I have three older sisters and when they were young girls, there was inappropriate touching that went on. My dad made them do things to him and right before it would have been time for this to happen to me, it stopped. He never did this again and never forgave himself clear up until the day he died.

My sisters told my mom about it about 10 years ago. I wanted to talk to my mom about it because I was devistated that this had happened. She whirled around at me and with the snottiest voice said, "I don't know what YOU'RE problem is with it! It didn't happen to you!" I was completed devistated that she did this to me. What she didn't understand is that this happened to my sisters who I love with all my heart. I had tremendous "survivor's guilt" and the image that I had about my dad my whole life was demolished, shattered, and I turned to disgust for him.

I started counselling about a month ago and last week, I had a major breakthough with this issue. I realized that even when I was told by my oldest sister about it that I didn't believe it. Then my 2nd oldest sister told me about it and although I knew that there was truth behind this, I always thought that I "didn't believe it". The week before, I told the counsellor that I believed it in 1983. Well my breakthough after reading John Bradshaw's book Healing the Shame that Binds Us, I realized that it wasn't that I didn't believe it, I "REFUSED" to believe it for a long time. In 1983, I was STILL making excuses, wanting all my sisters to hide this "family secret" and was worried about what other's (their counsellors) would think.The thought of my dad doing this (albeit 40 years ago) was more than I could imagine. The thought was terrifying, repulsive, and the opitomy of being disgusting. I felt completely ashamed of him, ashamed that my family was torn away like that, ashamed of my mom for having a husband like that, and ashamed of this "family secret".

This week was the first time that I've actually said that what my dad did was "child molestation". It's normal and should be expected (no, it's not right!) for people to deny that this happened. That someone in the family has this type of sickness. They will take THEIR shame and place it back on YOU for speaking up because they don't know how to deal with their own shame. Therefore, telling YOU that YOU are the one with the problem. Then when they FINALLY realize that this horrible situation is real, they often will make excuses for the perpetrator saying things like, " You were always a big flirt. You shouldn't have been walking around in that skirt. He was sick and had a lot of problems. He didn't know what he was doing. He snapped. You should have told someone when it first happned. How could you have let this happen?"  And on and on...you get the drift.

I made some of these types of excuses for my dad for several years after I realized that it really did happen. I even tried to minimize what had happened because my own internal shame couldn't admit that it was 100% my dad's fault...period! I refused to allow myself to admit the truth, and the whole truth. Even when my oldest sister told me about it when I was in my 20's, I reacted much like your family did, "You've always been a drama queen. I think that you really have problems to actually think that Dad did this to you!"   So I'm very guilty as well for putting MY shame back on her. I've now accepted that it really did happen, that it's molestation, and that I was carrying (and still do to some extent) that shame that I had about this "family secret". It feels SOOOOO good now to be able to admit that I hid from it and that the intense anger and hatred that I once had about my Dad for what he did is now gone.

There are many ways to get help for something like this. My oldest sister was very screwed up over it and was seeking help from everywhere years ago. She was going the "revenge" route. She was going to take him down anyway she could. Her conversations with me were full of hate towards my dad and she was telling people for the sake of ruining him. Eventually she realized that the counselling she was getting was ruining her heart and her soul. She finally decided to look within herself and realized that she hated the person she had allowed herself to become -- angry, cold, hating, emotional, and overall..empty. She changed her complete outlook and started to look at healing herself, not by revenge, but by forgiveness. I know it sounds ultra corny, but I absolutely cannot believe how my sister has softened her approach, her heart, and her listening skills. She's SOOO much happier about letting go and taking the forgiveness route instead of the revenge route.

Please do NOT get me wrong...What this man did to you was wrong...terribly wrong. He needs to be confronted with what he did and if that means that he's going to be brought up on charges, than that's exactly what has to happen. He has to be stopped!!!!  But really think about if it's something that you're doing out of revenge and to "feel better", or because you TRULY want this to stop and not ever let this happen to someone else.

Take care and I wish you the best. Eventually the family members may come around. You've put a bug in their ear and there's NO way that they won't be thinking about it.

I really encourage you to read the book, "Healing the Shame that Binds Us" by John Bradshaw. There's two versions, and I recommend the newer one with the Recovery edition.
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« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2006, 01:49:34 AM »
Linda317,

I'm sorry that you had to live in this kind of home as a kid. It must have been horrible. You sound like you're well on your way to healing. Letting go of family shame is a tough one if you've been taught to keep secrets. Once you get started it's a transformational journey.

Don't feel bad about finding ways and excuses for not believing what happened to your sisters. It's a matter of survival when you're a kid. You have no choice but to believe in your parents, even if they are hurting you because they are the only security you know. It's easy and natural to continue this pattern into adulthood if you've been brought up in a dysfunctional family. It takes a lot of guts to start to let go of the shame and secrets. You and your sisters are brave! You are not responsible for anyone else's behavior, even if they are family. It really doesn't reflect on you unless you let it. It's hard to accept this when someone in your family has done something so horrible, but it's true.

What your mom said to you is really unacceptable. You deserve support from your mom and protection, and she failed you and your sisters on both counts. It would be great if she could take responsibility for this and ask for forgiveness, but it might just be too hard. She is probably hiding from this as much as she can. I don't even know how someone could live with the knowledge that their husband has molested her daughters. From what you said it sounds like she might have known, and chose to stay with him. Why do you think he stopped when he did?

The book you reccommend sounds interesting. I'm putting it on my list of ones to read. Good luck on your healing journey.

Rachel
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« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2006, 10:46:16 PM »
thanks to evryone for there support! i started counseling a week ago and started taking my klonopin. so keep your fingers crossed
courtney
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« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2006, 11:29:45 PM »
Good Luck. I am currently on Klonopin and it works good for me. Hope it does the same for you  :yes:
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« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2006, 01:19:05 PM »
gman,
it is helping. i feel alot calmer, just sleepier than usual and headaches :(
but im hoping theyl go away
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« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2006, 03:24:03 PM »
They will go away. Your doctor might have to adjust the dosage. How much klonopin are you taking daily?
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« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2006, 11:39:05 PM »
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« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2006, 05:07:27 PM »
You shouldn't feel guilt.  (I mean obviously it is normal to, I am just saying try not to because there is no reason for you to).  Your aunt obviously would not want to believe her son could do something like that. 

I feel guilty over ANYTHING and it is perhaps one of my very main issues not getting me to stay happy.  I'm to the point where I feel like almost everything is religiously wrong and so I just constantly feel guilty about things. 

Anyway I don't really know what to say.  I wish life was better for everyone.  You obviously didn't deserve any of this, whether it be the aunt situation, the rape itself, or anything else like that.  I am sure he feels guilty about it all the time now, but who knows... some people seem to never realize what they have done.
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« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2006, 01:28:38 AM »
Wow, that is alot. I am 215 lbs. and I was so sleepy on .5 mg twice a day. I can't imagine what you feel like.
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« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2006, 03:45:11 AM »
I am taking just the 1/2 a MG before bed at this point also.  Twice would maybe be better because sometimes I have more anxiety again in the day, but so far the once is doing ok, still making me drowsy too.
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« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2006, 10:15:44 PM »
((((Courtney)))))
(cyber hugs are safe and non-invasive!! ;D )

I have been through a similar experience.  It does get better, but in my case it altered my family structure permanently.  It was difficult, but I have healed and am happy with my choices.  Here's (this part of) my story.

When I got sober in ' 88 and by '89 I came to realize that I had been molested from age 12 to 15 by my paternal uncle.  (I ran away at 15 to escape him) Before that realization, I had "blamed" myself, believing that I "seduced" him, with my irresistable (virgin), 12 year old budding sexuality.  *sarcasm* When I realized that no matter that I flirted with him (as my only male role model, who should have been "safe"), it was his choice to molest me, and that I was indeed a "victim" rather than a "vixen", it was quite a shock.
I dealt with it through my 12 step program, molestation and incest support groups and therapy.  I gave serious consideration to the potential consequences of my telling my family about the abuse.  For a couple of years I decided it wasn't worth the potential upheaval in the family.  I'd just continue to heal.  The hardest part for me was trying to deal with the possibility that my mom had given him permission to molest me.  He told me that, and although I didn't want to believe it, part of me did believe it.

Eventually, I began to avoid all family gatherings at which he would be present.  i could no longer tolerate his playful, flirtatious banter, knowing what a pig he was.  For about a year I repressed the fear that had prevented me from ever allowing my daughter to be alone with him, but finally began to question that fear. I came to the realization that it was very likely that I wasn't "special", that indeed his 2 grown daughters both exhibited behaviors of molestation victims,  and I began to fear for his twin granddaughters, aged 4.  For me, this was a slow process.  it ate at me until I knew I couldn't live with myself if I didn't try to do something to protect those girls.  By this time I was 32

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He has to be stopped!!!!  But really think about if it's something that you're doing out of revenge and to "feel better", or because you TRULY want this to stop and not ever let this happen to someone else.

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.  You have every right to want to feel better, and you deserve to feel better!!

My choice to confront and "come out" about the molestation to my family was engendered by the desire to protect the next generation of young girls in our family, if it wasn't already too late.

I decided first to try to confont him privately, to try and avoid the family blowup that I was sure would happen.  I called him and told him that I'd realized he had molested me and that he was a very sick man.  He of course, denied this, actually saying to me, "aww, honey, you know we were just having a little fun".  I told him not to call me "honey", and it wasn't fun.  I told him that my own recovery from his abuse was my business, but protecting his granddaughters or any other young girls he might be around was also my business.  I said that if he would find  treatment for pedophilia and prove it to me, I wouldn't tell the family.

Needless to say, that didn't work.  He just began calling and harrassing me and showed up on my frontporch 2 days later.  My Late husband advised him to leave before he kicked his 0104.  So I wrote a letter.  it was a long and difficult letter.  It was full of shame and apology for the pain it would cause everyone, but it was also full of truth.  I sent 3 copies of the same letter, all registered mail.  One to my Mother, one to my Grandmother and one to his wife, (my aunt).

The proverbial sh** hit the fan, as we say.  He told everyone I lied, and he couldn't understand why I would make up something so terrible.  My Grandma "disowned" me.  My mom and brother were understanding and accepting.  I did not question or confront my mom at this time, I thought I was still years away from that.  I continued phone contact with my Gramdma, but all she would do was cry.  I told her I would not allow her to disown me; that I knew she could never stop loving me, and that I wasn't asking her to stop loving her son.  I wasn't even saying he was a "bad" person, rather a "sick" one, who needed help.  That it was my fervent hope that rather than let this divide the family, we could all pull together to protect the twins and get him treatment (How little I then knew about pedophelia).

For the next month or so, things at the family ranch (I lived 3 hours away) got progressively worse for all concerned.  My uncle and his wife told people I'd gone crazy, my gram was ashamed, hurt and angry.  She finally admitted that she believed me, but asked why, if I'd kept the secret this long, did I have to tell.  At this point she confronted her son and he called me a liar, again, but this time in front of my mom.  That was when all he** broke loose as my mom screamed at him that she knew I wasn't lieing, because he'd been doing it to her since she was 5.  He then attacked her and choked her and she was taken to hospital with a cervical strain and concussion.

I know all of this sounds horrible, but I wanted to share how it can be.  Believe it or not, everything turned out reasonably well.  He and his wife moved away 3 days later and have not been in touch with the family in almost 15 years.  The sad part to me, was that his wife didn't believe me, and I've always continued to fear for the twins.  Still, I hope that my telling might have made him less likely to molest the twins out of fear of being caught, and that perhaps I planted a small seed of awareness in his wife.  I pray that she protects those girls.

The last part of this long story, is the best part!  When I discovered my mom had been molested by him from 5 years old into adulthood, I told her that he said he had her permission, blessing, even.  She denied that back then, but I could accept it much easier, knowing that anything she did then was a result of being a victim, herself.  Well, after my husband died in '98  I eventually made a decision to move back to the family ranch with my partner, Tammy and Grama, who has been in my care since '99.  Last year my mom, apropos of nothing I could see, came to me and asked me if I remembered asking her if she told my uncle it was okay to..."you know" (she said).  She said she couldn't imagine doing it, but she thought she probably did.  That she knew she did tell him it was okay.  She was so sad and upset, and couldn't figure out why she would do that.  I felt so sad for her.  I just told her I love her and I knew she did the best she could...

But I tell you...
I NEVER expected that to happen!!  my Mom is the original Cleopatra!!  (Queen of de-nial)!!
Good luck to you, Courtney.  I hope this helps in some small way.
Blessed Be.
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