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Panick Attacks.
« on: September 10, 2005, 08:49:57 PM »
Panic Attack.

Extracts from- What You Can Change and What You Can't.- By Martin E. P. Seligman.

Panic attacks.

The defining feature of the disorder is simple; recurrent, awful attacks of  panic that come out of the blue. They are accompanied by feelings of overwhelming dread and thoughts that you are going to die, that you are having a heart attack, that you are loosing control, or that you are going crazy.

Inducing panic. panic attacks can be created by a chemical agent. patients who have a history of panic attacks are hooked up to an intravenous line. Sodium lactate, a chemical that normally produces rapid, shallow breathing and heart palpitation, is slowly infused into their bloodstream. Within minutes, about 60 to 90 percent of these patients have  a panic attack. Normal controls, subjects with no history of panic, rarely have attacks when infused with lactate.

Genetics of panic. There may be some heritability of panic. If one of two identical twins has panic attacks, 31 percent of the co-twins also have them. But if one of two fraternal twins has panic attacks, none of the co-twins are so afflicted. More than half of panic-disorder patients, moreover, have close relatives who have some anxiety disorder or alcoholism.

Panic and the brain. The brains of people with panic disorders look somewhat unusual upon close scrutiny. There neurochemistry shows abnormalities in the system that turns on and then dampens fear. In addition. PET scans show that patients who panic from the infusion of lactate have higher blood flow and oxygen use in relevant parts of their brain than patients who don't panic.

Drugs. Anti-depressant and anti-anxiety drugs both work better than placebos. Panic attacks are dampened, and sometimes even eliminated. General anxiety and depression also decrease.

Psychologist David Clark put forward the theory, that  panic may simply be the catastrophic misinterpretation of bodily sensations.
For example, when you panic, your heart starts to race. You notice this, and you see it as a possible heart attack. This makes you very anxious, which means your heart pounds more. You now notice that your heart is really pounding. You are now sure it's a heart attach. This terrifies you, and you break into a sweat, you feel nauseated, short of breath - all symptoms of terror, but for you, they're confirmation of a heart attack. A full-blown panic attack is under way, and at the root of it is your misinterpretation of the symptoms of anxiety as symptoms of impending death.
 

This psychological theory handles the biological findings well.
* Sodium lactate induces panic because it makes you heart race. It creates the initial bodily sensations that you then misinterpret as catastrophe.
* Panic is partially heritable because having a particular noticeably bodily sensation , such as heart palpitations, is heritable, not because panic itself is directly heritable.
* Brain areas that prevent the dampening of anxiety are active because this activity is a mere symptom of panic.
* Drugs relieve panic because they quiet the bodily sensations that get interpreted as a heart attack.

David Clark's Therapy.
Patients are told that panic results when they mistake normal symptoms of mounting anxiety for symptoms of heart attack, going crazy, or dying. Anxiety itself, they are informed, produces shortness of breath, chest pain, and sweating. Once they misinterpret these normal bodily sensations as an imminent heart attack, their symptoms become even more pronounced because the misinterpretation changes their anxiety into terror. A vicious circle culminates in a full-blown panic attack.
Patients are taught to reinterpret the symptoms realistically, as mere anxiety symptoms. Then they are given practice right in the office, breathing rapidly into a paper bag. This causes a build-up of carbon dioxide and shortness of breath, mimicking the sensations that provoke a panic attack. The therapist points out that the symptoms that the patient is experiencing - shortness of breath and heart racing - are harmless, simply the result of overbreathing, not a sign of a heart attack. The patient learns to interpret the symptoms correctly.
One patient, when he felt somewhat faint, would have a panic attack. He became afraid that he would actually faint and collapse, and interpreted his anxiety as a further symptom  of imminent fainting. This escalated to panic in seconds.
"Why?" Clark asked him, "have you never actually fainted?"
"I always manages to avoid collapsing just in time by holding onto something," replied the patient.
"That's one possibility. An alternative explanation is that the feeling of faintness you get in a panic attack will never lead you to collapse, even if you don't control it. In order to decide which possibility is correct, we need to know what happens to your body for you to actually faint. Do you know/"
"No."
"Your blood pressure needs to drop," said Clark. "Do you know what happens to your blood pressure during a panic attack?"
?Well, my pulse is racing. I guess my blood pressure must be up," the patient responded.
"That's right. In anxiety, heart rate and blood pressure tend to go up together. So you are actually less likely to faint when you are anxious than when you are not," said Clark.
 

"But why do I feel so faint?"
"Your feeling of faintness is a sign that your body is reacting in a normal way to the perception of danger. When you perceive danger, more blood is sent to your muscles and less to your brain. This means there is a small drop in oxygen to the brain. That is why you feel faint. However, this feeling is misleading because you will not actually faint since your blood pressure is up not down."
The patient concluded, "That's very clear. So next time I feel faint, I can check out whether I'm going to faint by taking my pulse. If it's normal or quicker than normal, I know I won't faint."
"this simple therapy appears to be a cure," Clark told us. "Ninety to one hundred percent of the patients are panic free at the end of therapy. One year later, only one person had had another panic attack."

Treatments.
                  Cognitive Therapy.
                  Drugs.


Treatment summary.
_______________________________________ ___________________________
                                             Cognitive therapy.                      Drugs
_______________________________________ ___________________________
Improvement                               80 to 100 %                          60 to 80 %
Relapse                                       10% or fewer                      moderate to high
Side effects                                  None                                  Moderate.
Time scale                                   weeks                                 days/weeks
Overall                                        excellent                              useful
                                       clearly the therapy to use.

_______________________________________ _____________________________



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Re: Panick Attacks.
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2005, 09:03:14 AM »
Just writing to say, that I find it rather strange, that after 334 reads, not one comment has been made.
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« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2006, 06:28:59 PM »
I'm so sick of people saying "talk" will get rid of panic attacks!  That's like telling yourself you don't really feel happy when you do.  It's a physical reaction to a situation where a person feels very uncomfortable. Period.
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« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2006, 08:56:26 AM »
The defining feature of the disorder is simple; recurrent, awful attacks of  panic that come out of the blue. They are accompanied by feelings of overwhelming dread and thoughts that you are going to die, that you are having a heart attack, that you are loosing control, or that you are going crazy.

Okej, I could not read it all and i am fairly certain i missunderstood abit due to the language barrier, swedish-english, but this short definition of panic attacks refutes my suspiction of an accompanied panic disorder to my ocd. I mean it never gets so bad that it for instance, feels as though i am having a heart attack, for me.
More like “loosing control” but related to shame and a sence of porportion because my obsessidies (is that right?) take over my time and reason, I start to believe them and hence the panic or overwhelming painful feelings.
    So do I have a panic disorder or not?

Ps. I am currently on pills so I do not have symptoms any more. Ds. /Rara.  :spineyes:
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« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2006, 12:19:34 PM »
Never mind. It was Social anxiety disorder.
Still, I used to get attacks similar to astma (I tested negative), head aces (spelled right?), stomic-sick and other symptons I no longer remember. This Isn`t enough to be panic attacks right???
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« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2006, 06:46:37 PM »
This is really good stuff. I have read a couple of Martin Seligman's books and found them helpful for my moods in general but it was not until I read a Cognitive Behavioral Therapy book by Sam Obitz that I learned the TEA form exersie and began to have success alleviating my anxiety AND Panic. I am in the process of weaning off of meds and feeling the most hopeful I have been in a long time.
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« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2006, 05:24:24 AM »
Hi Anne,
I wasn't saying that talk will stop you getting panic attacks, Nothing that I know of will stop the onset of a panic attack as in my humble opinion, they are triggered by a particular chemical profile in one's brain. But how you view and react to the attack can stop it escalating into a full blow one.It's like what was in the article, you can not stop the panic attack from starting, but with practice you can stop it from escalating and getting out of control.

It is a slow process. In simple terms, what you do, is teach your body, new automatic responses for when the panic attack alarm bells start ringing.

I had a young friend who used to get a lot of panic attacks. He slowed down both the frequency and severity of them by adopting a rather novel approach. As soon as he felt the attack coming, he'd say to himself, come on do you worst, I'm not afraid of you, you can't hurt me. So go ahead you ******** do your worst.

By doing this he was occupying his brain, and the attack ran it's course and ended before his brain could think of thoughts, that caused it to escalate. Quite often, with anxiety, I have found that a dose of anger can work wonders.

Hi Rara,
I am very familiar with social phobia, as I have had it for most of my life. Panic attacks can have degrees of severity, minor degrees are usually called anxiety , whilst higher degrees would be called panic attacks. I feel that you were having mild panic attacks.

Note, To anyone experiencing anything that resembles a panic attack. Seek advice from a qualified medical practitioner, as some ailments, Thyroid problems for one, can produce the same symptoms.

Hi Jamie,
I am pleased that you found the info usefull. Keep a close eye on youself both during and after the weening process. After all these attacks are of chemical origin and may start to increase as your med level drops. I look at it this way, if there is no petrol in the tank, know matter how much I think positive, the engine will not start.

Well that's all from me. Take care and may life be kind to you
Jim.
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« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2006, 02:47:08 PM »
For me, replace heart attack, with losing control of your bowels.  Very embarassing.

It all started when I for no reason had a fear of not being near a toilet, and now, whenever I get a bit anxious, as with everyone, I get butterflies in my stomach.  I fear that I may need the toilet soon, and so get more anxious, and my stomach gets worse, as I get more and more nervous.
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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2006, 05:21:21 PM »
Never mind. It was Social anxiety disorder.
Still, I used to get attacks similar to astma (I tested negative), head aces (spelled right?), stomic-sick and other symptons I no longer remember. This Isn`t enough to be panic attacks right???

I HAVE JUST STARTED HAVIN PANICK ATTACKS IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS BECASUE I HAVENT BEEN WELL BUT I ALWAYS THINK THE WORST IS GOING TO HAPPEN I DONT NO IF I SHOULD GET COUNSILLING PLZ HELP
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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2006, 11:18:13 PM »
Always seek help before it gets worse, the sooner the better!!!

keep posting we are here for you

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« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2006, 04:45:23 PM »
Thanks hat for the advice on weaning. So far so good.
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« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2006, 07:23:18 AM »
okay, this has been my experience.  when i was about 15 i smoked pot.  as i turned around 19ish, i did coke a little, continued smoking pot and had drinks in the evenings after work.  coffee and cigarettes have always been present in my adult life.  at around 22yrs old i began having crippling panik attacks.  i would go to the hospital at least 4 times a week, i was going to die, that was that.  they gave me every test known to man.  as time went on and the hospital visits stopped because my husband just simply said no linda, i'm not gonna take you. instead he would rub my shoulders and oh my gosh!, the attacks would end.  ofcourse all drugs were omitted from my life, except the coffee....lol  i find that singing to myself(i'm dreaming of a white christmas) calling someone or talking to them in person, rubbing of my shoulders or just plain ole changing the subject.  for me, i beleive, these attacks creep into my head(less often as i have grown older and learned how to alleive them) and left to play in my head without changing their course by any of the above "home remedies" will exhaust me.  after a 2-5 minute panic attack i feel completely exhausted. asi grew more comfortable with my purpose on earth and the fact that we all will die sometime, i have tried and am doing better at, although just yesterday i had a panic attack at the grocery store, i called my daughter, she says,i'll be right there. she rubsmy shoulders, i feel better, we laugh and i am still alive.  i think it's all in our heads and we need to take control when it creeps in.  i have to go to work right now but i will be back with some more funny stories of my panic attack history.  Linda
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« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2006, 03:15:00 PM »
<rant>
R.E.the original post: many shrinks advance their pet-theories (depression is due to too little Omega-3 fatty acids/too little vitamin B; panic attacks are due to fear of heart-attacks) but their simplified views help nobody but themselves. These people do not suffer from depression/panic disorder, have read too many text-books, want their 15 minutes of fame and are --frankly--a pain in the arse.

I know how they think. My background is not so very different from theirs. But oversimplifying matters rarely serves a purpose. I do not see why shrinks feel the need to pontificate about symptoms/disorders which they are not equipped to understand and why nobody puts them in their place.
</rant>

PS I've been formally diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder during a time when I reacted very badly to Paxil/Seroxat and suffered several arrests, two sections and uncounted court appearances. That shrink diagnosed me while I was sectioned and has not seen me before or since. He's not prepared to withdraw his diagnosis, even after a formal complaint. Boy, am I lucky that the House of Lord's recently refuted a bill that would have given the government the power to place people diagnosed with borderline disorders into psychiatric hospitals indefinitely.

No, I do not like shrinks.
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