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Offline kickeramps

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« on: January 04, 2009, 10:44:14 AM »
I've suffered from gad for 10 or so years. I hit a real low point about two years ago when I went to the Doc and they told me that I might have MS, it's hard not to go downhill after that kind of news. Turned out that I didn't have MS but my low point stuck with me. After 6 months or so I found myself back at the doc for all sorts of "problems" thats when the doc came back in and said "have you ever heard of GAD" he handed me some brochures. He then gave me Lexapro. After getting home it took me a few days just to work up the courage to take the pills because I had a Phobia of taking any kind of medication. The 1st time I took a lexapro I had a severe panic attack (it was the 1st pill that I took in about 5 years) this continued for the next 3 or so days. Needless to say that I stayed on them for a year by the end of that year I felt like a real person for the 1st time in a long time. Although I felt so great I wanted to start getting off them. After 2 weeks off them guess what, I felt myself going back downhill. I did some research and found that 5-htp helps increase your serotonin levels naturally. So i bought some. I felt good again, almost as good as i felt on the lexapro. But after a few months my body started to get used to them and it started to lose some effect. But I can better deal with my problem (GAD) while taking 5-htp. Bottom line check with your doc, but 5-htp has worked well for me and I've already recommended it to my friends and relatives.
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Re: 5-htp
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2009, 04:34:30 PM »
5htp is a precursor to serotonin, but many studies show that serotonin levels alone do not increase-decrease depression/axiety.

http://neuroscientificallychallenged.blogspot.com/2008/04/serotonin-hypothesis-and-neurogenesis.html

Vetencourt, J.F., Sale, A., Viegi, A., Baroncelli, L., De Pasquale, R., F. O'Leary, O., Castren, E., Maffei, L. (2008). The Antidepressant Fluoxetine Restores Plasticity in the Adult Visual Cortex. Science, 320(5874), 385-388. DOI: 10.1126/science.1150516
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Re: 5-htp
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2009, 04:36:44 PM »
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Re: 5-htp
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2009, 01:00:08 PM »
If you're into the 'natural treatments' you may want to consider Inositol (unofficially called vitamin b8).  There is evidence it works for both anxiety and OCD.
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Re: 5-htp
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2009, 05:37:58 PM »
What research is this?
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Re: 5-htp
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2009, 05:54:56 PM »
Here's an analysis of the reserach:

http://www.aafp.org/afp/20070815/549.pdf

Here are the studies analyzed:

24. Benjamin J, Levine J, Fux M, Aviv A, Levy D, Belmaker
RH. Double-blind, placebo-controlled, crossover trial of
inositol treatment for panic disorder. Am J Psychiatry
1995;152:1084-6.
25. Palatnik A, Frolov K, Fux M, Benjamin J. Double-blind,
controlled, crossover trial of inositol versus fluvoxamine
for the treatment of panic disorder. J Clin Psychopharmacol
2001;21:335-9.
26. Fux M, Levine J, Aviv A, Belmaker RH. Inositol treatment
of obsessive-compulsive disorder. Am J Psychiatry
1996;153:1219-21.
27. Fux M, Benjamin J, Belmaker RH. Inositol versus placebo
augmentation of serotonin reuptake inhibitors in the
treatment of obsessive-compulsive disorder: a doubleblind
cross-over study. Int J Neuropsychopharmacol
1999;2:193-5.

Here's an anecdotal account br a Dr. Penzel who makes it sound like he runs a 'psychiatric clinic', and was inspired to try it for OCD based on the study by Fux in 1996 (emphasis mine):

http://westsuffolkpsych.homestead.com/Inositol_and_OCD.html

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The article proved to be the convincer for us. We had a number of OCD patients, who were only getting partial relief from prescription antidepressants, so we decided to suggest the possibility of their trying inositol as an augmenting agent, in addition to what they were already taking. I should mention here that our clinic is a rather busy treatment center, and unfortunately, not really geared toward conducting research, so we really didn't collect any data on this. I know my learned colleagues will shake their heads at this, and they would be right. In any case, we started to see some positive results among some of those who tried it. In most cases, these results ranged from at least mild to moderate relief of symptoms. A few reported even more improvement. We have generally built up our patients over a six-week period, starting with 1 teaspoon (2gms) twice per day, and going as high as 3 teaspoons, three times per day. It turned out that not everyone required the full 18 grams used in the Fux study. One person was seen to improve on just 2 grams daily.

          Since that time, we have also seen some positive results child cases as well. I have also received some positive e-mails and phone calls from O-C around the country who have heard of inositol, and tried it. Although it was probably not as precise as we would have liked, we based our children's doses on body weight, figuring roughly that a 40-lb. child could tolerate a maximum dose of up to 6gms. of inositol per day.

        I do not believe that inositol is a 'miracle drug' for everyone with OCD. There are no miracle treatments. I am sharing this information with sufferers out there in hopes that it may help at least some people who have not otherwise been able to get relief, or who are too afraid of prescription medications to try anything. I also decided to write about this because I felt that some people might hear of this through some other sources, and try inositol without any guidance.

**Please note the following: This advice is purely informational, and not in any way meant to be a substitute for treatment by a licensed physician. Do not try this, or anything else, without first consulting your physician. If your M.D. has not heard about it, refer them to the American Journal of Psychiatry article and let them decide.

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Re: 5-htp
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2009, 06:43:15 PM »
Looks good so far, but the size of the trials were very very small.. I would like to see something with 100+ subjects /w controls.
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Re: 5-htp
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2009, 06:47:46 PM »
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11386498?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVBrief

Something a bit more interesting...

Seems to actually outperform prozac in the panic studies.
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Re: 5-htp
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2009, 07:14:35 PM »
Looks good so far, but the size of the trials were very very small.. I would like to see something with 100+ subjects /w controls.


If you can find a way to patent an amino acid, Phizer will hook it up for us  :winking0008:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11386498?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVBrief

Something a bit more interesting...

Seems to actually outperform prozac in the panic studies.

Thats reference #25 in the analysis, isn't it?
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Re: 5-htp
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2009, 01:29:49 AM »
The study is flawed though..

It didn't have a real control group..... it was the same group switching, and drugs with adjustment periods and high bioavailability with long half lives like fluvoxamine -prozac, this study could have done alot better if it was a separate control with a longer duration than 4 weeks....

I would like to find the same style of test, but.... 1. more participants, 2. a real control group, 3. A longer period than 4 weeks...

anyone who has taken meds know that it sometimes takes more than 4 weeks to get the full sustained effect.

Very interesting though... I personally think its worth a trip to the drugstore!
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Re: 5-htp
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2009, 01:31:21 AM »
I'm really surprised that you are not taking Fish Oil pills (omega 3's), Steveo.
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Re: 5-htp
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2009, 02:32:03 AM »
Sorry to hijack this thread, kickeramps.

The study is flawed though..

I agree, but what can we do?  I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but there is just no incentive for anyone to do a large scale double blind placebo controlled study on a Tx that cannot be patented.

I'm really surprised that you are not taking Fish Oil pills (omega 3's), Steveo.

I actually am taking it, but I don't list it as one of my Tx because I have no reason to believe it does anything for my issues.  The analysis I linked to above basically says as much.  I basically take it because I don't eat enough seafood (not a fan), and I've read it's just plain good for you.  Suddenly I care about my health...

I can find plenty of stuff on Omega-3 for depression, or for anxiety as it relates to substance abuse, but no clinical research as to Omega-3 and Anxiety Disorders or OCD.  I believe that I have an Obsessive Personality and some associated borderline hypomania which is non-pathological, but spilled over into a period of acute irrational Health Anxiety late last year.  My pdoc mostly agrees, but he must think it is in fact pathological as he wanted to medicate me more for the OCPD whereas I don't think it's necessary.

(He wants to try a new AAP and put me on a TCA.  I'll probably do whatever he says next week as far as the AAP, but in the meantime I'm weaning myself of the Seroquel and I doubt he'll convince me to go on the TCA)

For the record, I don't believe the melatonin does anything for me either, as far as psychological issues go, but I take it with the tryptophan for sleep.

While I'm on the subject, I'm iffy on the efficacy of Valerian and Lemon Balm, but I find both very mildly sedating, and both seem to be used as complimentary treatments, so I'm banking on some possible synergy...  In any case, I need SOMETHING to take my extracts with.
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Re: 5-htp
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2009, 05:05:20 PM »
there are studies supporting anxiety and violent behavior to omega 3's... i just dont have them available right now... get your google scholar on and you'll find it.
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Re: 5-htp
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2009, 07:45:08 PM »
there are studies supporting anxiety and violent behavior to omega 3's... i just dont have them available right now... get your google scholar on and you'll find it.

Aren't the subject of those children, though?  Despite what the GF will have you believe I happen to be an adult.
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